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I agree that libertarianism is owed an apology, but less so libertarians themselves. I saw too many commentators in that space throw up their hands with a "gee, both sides are just so bad, so I don't know" when one side was clearly worse. They're so obsessed with a fringe online left that is mostly limited to Ivy League college campuses that they're blind to much bigger threats on the right. We now have a guy locking people up without due process, hiking taxes via executive order, and trying to control the economy through central planning, much of it motivated by the ability of people to bribe him. Even today, you see John Stossel (a journalist I used to admire) post far more content about left-wing media activists (who hold no real political power and likely never will) than he does about Trump's tariffs (i.e., the one with actual power)

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"Noah, in a previous post, had rightly criticized libertarianism for ignoring threats to liberty posed by non-state institutions ('local bullies') like corporations, churches, and schools (which was another reason I was surprised by his complimentary follow up). Each of these organizations wields an enormous amount of power over people’s lives, including the power to restrict their freedom according to any ordinary understanding of that term."

This is obviously and absurdly wrong. If you don't like what a corporation does to you, you are free to work for a different one and/or decline to purchase its products. If you don't like a church, you are free to formally renounce it or just never attend it. And thanks to the efforts of charter school and homeschooling advocates, you can freely withdraw your children from a school and send them to a different one. (There is an issue here regarding the liberty of the children themselves, which is one reason the age of majority should be lower, but that's not really the point being made.) Corporations and churches can restrict people's freedom through illegal acts of physical harm to their persons or property, or plausible-deniability encouragement of same, but preventing that is a question of enforcing laws that are entirely consistent with libertarian principles. Any other ability they have to restrict freedom is granted to them and ultimately enforced by the state, in contravention of libertarian principles.

In stark contrast, law and government is not voluntary. It is not an agreement out of which you are free to opt. The law and the coercive power of the state to enforce it is applied to you, based on where you happened to be born and where you go, and there is no escape from it. In theory, one can emigrate, but almost every country has immigration rules that give you even less liberty once there, and not one hectare of land one can scrape a living on remains unclaimed on Earth, and the technology and infrastructure to live off it does not yet exist. All humanity lives under a state.

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