A very thought provoking article. In the late 1900s, our country went through a very anti-Asian immigration process. Italians and Greeks were not welcomed for a time. Of course none of that justifies the current policies. Jus the humble opinion of an old hermit. (In Norfolk Virginia, the old joke was "Dogs and sailors keep off the grass!" Hope I haven't upset anyone!)
This is the problem with you twats: you've made this a decision between open borders and deport everyone. You further enshittify your position by making assimilation into the broader culture verboten and force an ethnic balkanization onto us. That being the choice I stand with the deport them all camp.
Trump, listening to Miller, is the enshittifier-in-chief here, Mr. Twat. He's the one who made this a binary option between open borders (that never existed and were never proposed by anyone) and deport everyone. Hell, Mr. Twat, you might be deported next, if for some reason Trump would have something to gain with that. And nobody has made assimilation 'verboten' -- it's ongoing, healthy, and yielding millions of well-integrated Americans every single year.
Miller is to Trump what Haldeman/Ehrlichman/Colson were to Nixon. The these men brought out the absolute worst in their employers, and played on their worst instincts. H/E/C all went to jail. Hopefully Miller will follow suit.
Stephen, not defending Trump's actions, but please consider Obama's stance on open borders:
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Obama's policy and dire warning on immigration:
"Those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws" —President Obama
Why the man with the best information and highest security clearance on earth said this:
Bloomberg: Headline: Venezuela's Violent Deaths Fall to 22-Year Low on Migration
Text: Venezuela's rate of violent deaths dropped to its lowest level in more than two decades following years of massive migration as both criminals and victims fled the nation's economic crisis. —Archived Source: https://archive.is/JOaY9
…earlier than highest security, though not sure that’s critical to this quote.
Your Obama quote couldn’t have been inspired by the Bloomberg article you linked, nor could have guided his presidential acts, since it was published 17 years after the quote and 7 years after he left office. Regardless, the article offers no numbers on how much of Venezuela’s out migration was to the US.
When discussing immigration issues, isn’t it more beneficial to work with the most relevant factual info?
It shows before even getting into office he knew to keep the border locked shut. Clinton knew as well over 25 years ago:
"In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.
All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens."
A very thought provoking article. In the late 1900s, our country went through a very anti-Asian immigration process. Italians and Greeks were not welcomed for a time. Of course none of that justifies the current policies. Jus the humble opinion of an old hermit. (In Norfolk Virginia, the old joke was "Dogs and sailors keep off the grass!" Hope I haven't upset anyone!)
Stephen Miller’s ancestors came over legally. That doesn’t mean he is being hypocritical in cracking down on illegal immigrants.
But it does mean he is hypocricial in cracking down on legal immigration, as he is now doing.
This is the problem with you twats: you've made this a decision between open borders and deport everyone. You further enshittify your position by making assimilation into the broader culture verboten and force an ethnic balkanization onto us. That being the choice I stand with the deport them all camp.
Trump, listening to Miller, is the enshittifier-in-chief here, Mr. Twat. He's the one who made this a binary option between open borders (that never existed and were never proposed by anyone) and deport everyone. Hell, Mr. Twat, you might be deported next, if for some reason Trump would have something to gain with that. And nobody has made assimilation 'verboten' -- it's ongoing, healthy, and yielding millions of well-integrated Americans every single year.
Mr. Twat, you need to get out more.
When I look at this guy I see Reinhard Heydrick and not just because of physical resemblance
It didn't take long for the discussion to reach the Godwin point.
Miller is to Trump what Haldeman/Ehrlichman/Colson were to Nixon. The these men brought out the absolute worst in their employers, and played on their worst instincts. H/E/C all went to jail. Hopefully Miller will follow suit.
Stephen, not defending Trump's actions, but please consider Obama's stance on open borders:
----
Obama's policy and dire warning on immigration:
"Those who enter our country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law. And because we live in an age where terrorists are challenging our borders, we simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. Americans are right to demand better border security and better enforcement of the immigration laws" —President Obama
Why the man with the best information and highest security clearance on earth said this:
Bloomberg: Headline: Venezuela's Violent Deaths Fall to 22-Year Low on Migration
Text: Venezuela's rate of violent deaths dropped to its lowest level in more than two decades following years of massive migration as both criminals and victims fled the nation's economic crisis. —Archived Source: https://archive.is/JOaY9
TriTorch - according to google, your Obama quote seems to come from a 2006 Senate speech - http://obamaspeeches.com/061-Immigration-Reform-Obama-Speech.htm
…earlier than highest security, though not sure that’s critical to this quote.
Your Obama quote couldn’t have been inspired by the Bloomberg article you linked, nor could have guided his presidential acts, since it was published 17 years after the quote and 7 years after he left office. Regardless, the article offers no numbers on how much of Venezuela’s out migration was to the US.
When discussing immigration issues, isn’t it more beneficial to work with the most relevant factual info?
It shows before even getting into office he knew to keep the border locked shut. Clinton knew as well over 25 years ago:
"In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.
All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens."
Bill Clinton