Blame Democrats. Reagan, foolishly, gave amnesty to 10 million-a more realistic number-40 years ago with the promise from Dems they would close the border. 50 million illegals, or more, later it requires an "Immigration Police State" to clean up the mess.
"The message from the Trump administration is clear: If you come to America, not only will we try to deport you, but we will try to send you to the worst place we can find that will agree to take you." Naturally, Birch Smith omits relevant facts. The criminals whom Trump is deporting to South Sudan are so heinous that even their own countries won't take them back and we have no power to compel them to. Are we to become the Third World's penal colony?
Trump was elected to mass deport illegals and make sure new immigrants don’t come. The “cruelty” is the point. The immigration issue won’t be solved until someone in Mexico does a cost benefit analysis of crossing the border and concludes they are better off staying in Mexico. Knowledge that if they manage to get in they could be rounded up at gunpoint and deported is a big part of that cost benefit analysis.
The state with the highest homicide rate is Louisiana and the homicide rate in the District of Columbia is two and a half times that of Louisiana. Source: FBI
Thank you, Birch, for an excellent summation of what is happening on the deportation front. Of course it dovetails with what my husband and I have been saying about it for months, actually well before Trump became President again. What is so discouraging/disturbing during the campaign is that tens of millions of people actually thought there were millions of criminals to be deported! That has been going on for a very long time across many administrations. The immigration "problem" is what you emphasized: the people in charge want to return to a white Christian, nationalist society and rid the country of "polluting" influences. It's been kind of obvious for a long time with this regime's crew driving the scheme. It is all so sad because not enough people see it for what it is. It is only seven-plus months into this administration. Trump is now moving to militarize DC, which I fear is only the beginning. If civil arrest starts, who do you think will be put in all those huge detention facilities being built?!! I have never been one for conspiracy theories but I believe it seems fairly obvious that it is the next logical step.
There is a difference in law between civil offenses and criminal ones. Overstaying your visa is a civil offense, like driving 65 in a 55 zone. If you have driven over the speed limit, then you are every bit as criminal as an illegal immigrant.
If you get multiple speeding tickets, you end up getting your license suspended and/or revoked. It would seem to me that every day you overstay your visa (assuming you have one) is multiple cumulative "civil" offenses. Similar to Orange Man Bad's "34 Felonies"
First, most illegals don't even have a visa. They literally just hope the border.
Title 8 of the U.S. Code identifies federal criminal offenses pertaining to immigration and nationality, including the following two entry-related offenses:
“Illegal Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. It applies to people who do not enter with proper inspection at a port of entry, such as those who enter between ports of entry, avoid examination or inspection, or who make false statements while entering or attempting to enter. A first offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, up to six months in prison, or both.
“Illegal Re-Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1326 makes it a crime to unlawfully reenter, attempt to unlawfully reenter, or to be found in the United States after having been deported, ordered removed, or denied admission. This crime is punishable as a felony with a maximum sentence of two years in prison. Higher penalties apply if the person was previously removed after having been convicted of certain crimes: up to 10 years for a single felony conviction (other than an aggravated felony conviction) or three misdemeanor convictions involving drugs or crimes against a person, and up to 20 years for an aggravated felony conviction.
I consider immigrants a bunch of thieves. Most move here to suck welfare (and yes, even people with jobs are welfare sponges if their jobs don’t pay enough). They vote for violence and theft as well (non-whites vote left).
The people enforcing immigration laws are protecting civilization against these violent barbarians that would destroy it. If the invaders succeed they will turn the west into the same third world shitholes they came from.
If I believed all peoples and culture were fungible indistinguishable worker units then perhaps I could accept your view. But I don’t.
Sigh. Just because there is a law on the books saying it is a crime doesn't make it a crime. Deep in your heart, you just _know_ it is OK for anyone to move to the United States with or without regard to its immigration law. So the real crime is attempting to enforce these laws, and the real criminals are those enforcing immigration laws. In fact, merely suggesting these laws be enforced is just plain wrong. Don't you get the logic here?
You caught me. My comment was too subtle, and I should have tagged it as sarcasm.
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If Jonathon Swift lived in today's world, he would surely be afraid to offer any modest proposal lest he be taken seriously and his proposal become adopted by tho whom it it were offered.
I have been telling folks that after the Dump's minions run out of immigrants to deport they will start rounding up other folks, even the ones who can prove that they are in the US "legally", and ship them out. I warn folks that the minions will come for them eventually, will discard any documentation that establishes "legal" presence, and ship them out, anyway.
I agree with the Unpopulist that some of Trump's immigration actions are very troubling and inappropriate, but what did the Biden-Harris administration think was going to happen when they thumbed their noses at the electorate by ushering in millions upon millions of impoverished economic migrants even as their own voters begged them to stop? They deliberately created the crisis, literally cackling along the way, and bear ultimate responsibility for the Trump administration's heavyhanded efforts to clean up the mess. Whatever thinks of Stephen Miller, Alejandro Mayorkas was by far the bigger villain.
Blame Democrats. Reagan, foolishly, gave amnesty to 10 million-a more realistic number-40 years ago with the promise from Dems they would close the border. 50 million illegals, or more, later it requires an "Immigration Police State" to clean up the mess.
"The message from the Trump administration is clear: If you come to America, not only will we try to deport you, but we will try to send you to the worst place we can find that will agree to take you." Naturally, Birch Smith omits relevant facts. The criminals whom Trump is deporting to South Sudan are so heinous that even their own countries won't take them back and we have no power to compel them to. Are we to become the Third World's penal colony?
The word “innocent” keeps popping up in the text. With apologies to Andre the Giant, I do not think this word means what you think it means.
Trump was elected to mass deport illegals and make sure new immigrants don’t come. The “cruelty” is the point. The immigration issue won’t be solved until someone in Mexico does a cost benefit analysis of crossing the border and concludes they are better off staying in Mexico. Knowledge that if they manage to get in they could be rounded up at gunpoint and deported is a big part of that cost benefit analysis.
I’m ready to do my part in the upcoming civil war. By 2028, some of us may have some scalps or a body count.
Why stop at immigration after the federalization fo the DC police department and deployment of the national guard despite crime at 20-30 year lows?
The state with the highest homicide rate is Louisiana and the homicide rate in the District of Columbia is two and a half times that of Louisiana. Source: FBI
States to cities? Apples to oranges. Pearls to swine.
Thank you, Birch, for an excellent summation of what is happening on the deportation front. Of course it dovetails with what my husband and I have been saying about it for months, actually well before Trump became President again. What is so discouraging/disturbing during the campaign is that tens of millions of people actually thought there were millions of criminals to be deported! That has been going on for a very long time across many administrations. The immigration "problem" is what you emphasized: the people in charge want to return to a white Christian, nationalist society and rid the country of "polluting" influences. It's been kind of obvious for a long time with this regime's crew driving the scheme. It is all so sad because not enough people see it for what it is. It is only seven-plus months into this administration. Trump is now moving to militarize DC, which I fear is only the beginning. If civil arrest starts, who do you think will be put in all those huge detention facilities being built?!! I have never been one for conspiracy theories but I believe it seems fairly obvious that it is the next logical step.
Being here illegally does make you a criminal. That is what illegal means!
There is a difference in law between civil offenses and criminal ones. Overstaying your visa is a civil offense, like driving 65 in a 55 zone. If you have driven over the speed limit, then you are every bit as criminal as an illegal immigrant.
If you get multiple speeding tickets, you end up getting your license suspended and/or revoked. It would seem to me that every day you overstay your visa (assuming you have one) is multiple cumulative "civil" offenses. Similar to Orange Man Bad's "34 Felonies"
First, most illegals don't even have a visa. They literally just hope the border.
Title 8 of the U.S. Code identifies federal criminal offenses pertaining to immigration and nationality, including the following two entry-related offenses:
“Illegal Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. It applies to people who do not enter with proper inspection at a port of entry, such as those who enter between ports of entry, avoid examination or inspection, or who make false statements while entering or attempting to enter. A first offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, up to six months in prison, or both.
“Illegal Re-Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1326 makes it a crime to unlawfully reenter, attempt to unlawfully reenter, or to be found in the United States after having been deported, ordered removed, or denied admission. This crime is punishable as a felony with a maximum sentence of two years in prison. Higher penalties apply if the person was previously removed after having been convicted of certain crimes: up to 10 years for a single felony conviction (other than an aggravated felony conviction) or three misdemeanor convictions involving drugs or crimes against a person, and up to 20 years for an aggravated felony conviction.
No, I don’t know that in my heart.
I consider immigrants a bunch of thieves. Most move here to suck welfare (and yes, even people with jobs are welfare sponges if their jobs don’t pay enough). They vote for violence and theft as well (non-whites vote left).
The people enforcing immigration laws are protecting civilization against these violent barbarians that would destroy it. If the invaders succeed they will turn the west into the same third world shitholes they came from.
If I believed all peoples and culture were fungible indistinguishable worker units then perhaps I could accept your view. But I don’t.
Sigh. Just because there is a law on the books saying it is a crime doesn't make it a crime. Deep in your heart, you just _know_ it is OK for anyone to move to the United States with or without regard to its immigration law. So the real crime is attempting to enforce these laws, and the real criminals are those enforcing immigration laws. In fact, merely suggesting these laws be enforced is just plain wrong. Don't you get the logic here?
you forgot /sarc
Poe's law and all
You caught me. My comment was too subtle, and I should have tagged it as sarcasm.
<notsarc>
If Jonathon Swift lived in today's world, he would surely be afraid to offer any modest proposal lest he be taken seriously and his proposal become adopted by tho whom it it were offered.
</notsarc>
If anyone thought that "we just need at least little more immigration enforcement", all this is on you, and no Democrat they could care to name.
I have been telling folks that after the Dump's minions run out of immigrants to deport they will start rounding up other folks, even the ones who can prove that they are in the US "legally", and ship them out. I warn folks that the minions will come for them eventually, will discard any documentation that establishes "legal" presence, and ship them out, anyway.
I agree with the Unpopulist that some of Trump's immigration actions are very troubling and inappropriate, but what did the Biden-Harris administration think was going to happen when they thumbed their noses at the electorate by ushering in millions upon millions of impoverished economic migrants even as their own voters begged them to stop? They deliberately created the crisis, literally cackling along the way, and bear ultimate responsibility for the Trump administration's heavyhanded efforts to clean up the mess. Whatever thinks of Stephen Miller, Alejandro Mayorkas was by far the bigger villain.
What did the Biden-Harris administration think was going to happen? They thought they would get re-elected.
The likeliest explanation, but it's still remarkable that they didn't even bother to account for the slightest possibility of not being reelected.
Idiots in a bubble gonna idiot.
Nope.