Trump, Vance, Musk and the rightwinged echo system have one goal: destroy the faith in the electoral system so they can demagogue their way into power. In a healthy democracy, even the best and the brightest do not have unlimited power, let alone second and third rate talents. But in much more chaotic circumstances, they can carve a niche and seize power.
The onus is on those making these extraordinary claims to provide extraordinary evidence. We've seen nothing but conjecture and fearmongering. It's time to stop undermining our democracy with these unsubstantiated allegations...nice piece, Walter.
It seems like people who make this argument about democrats supporting illegal immigration to boost their voting numbers tend to also rail against immigrants not doing enough assimilate into culture of the US. To me these two arguments seem to come in conflict with each other. Like we're suppose believe immigrants are are not interested in contributing to our society, but also they're mobilizing in large numbers and risking their very right to be here just cast a vote.
This is just not true. A monstrous distortion of the facts. An interpretation built upon emotions along with a preconceived notion of what is right and wrong that can only come about by condemning all those that don't think like you.
People aren't ready to talk about this, but if Republicans wanted to reduce immigration, they would stop complaining about "the open border." Americans know they're full of shit, but prospective immigrants hear it and occasionally believe it.
Your entire claim about Elon is false. So sad. What Elon actually said was "Biden's strategy is very simple: 1. Get as many illegals in the country as possible. 2. Legalize them to create a permanent majority – a one-party state." He claimed this is "why they are encouraging so much illegal immigration". Entire article built on a false claim.
Indeed. I note that this month’s AMAC Magazine, the print publication of the right-wing counterpart to AARP, carries a cover story this month entitled “Will the 2024 Election Be Rigged?”, full of Mollie Hemingway-type theorizing.
Food for thought; one must come to the forum with clean hands in order to be heard. Think about this. The president sends a scouting party to the southern border and the scouting party sends back a message; 250,000 undocumented aliens entering per month. A second scouting party sends back a message; 250,000 illegal aliens entering per month.
The president does not know whether or not to send 12,000 secretaries to document the aliens or 12,000 border agents to stop them from entering.
Simply put, the first scouting party that utilized euphemisms to avoid accuracy and honesty, still stated a factually correct statement. That's why, a factually, correct statement can still be a lie. Remember, you must come to the forum with clean hands.
I really appreciate the work put into this post, but as someone who has similarly invested a horrendous amount of time debunking the endless stolen election lunacy, I'm sorry to say it's a giant waste of time. The basic premise of this specific scheme is so patently inane that it crumbles in response to elementary questions. If the accusation is one of fraud, why would you even need real flesh and blood people? If you are going to use real people, why use a demographic explicitly prohibited from voting?
None of this makes any sense from the very beginning, and it's why it only resonates with the segment of the population who are either experiencing delusional psychosis or are otherwise hopelessly gullible (along with those play-acting because they rely on the support of gullible masses). As the adage goes, you can't reason with people out of positions they didn't reason into.
> And as we do, we will find ourselves circling around to another question: If Musk or Trump or Vance have good evidence that this is happening, why haven’t they presented it?
Perhaps for the same reason you never substantiate most of your bold claims of fact: it doesn't seem to you like you need to, because it is "obviously" true.
Interestingly so much of what the GOP has been saying is simply a projection of what they are doing.
They project that the Democrats are letting the flood of immigrants to come in but it is the GOP that is actually blocking the policies and funds that are needed to help stem the influx.
They project that there is voter fraud and Democrats voting multiple times but most (all?) of the voters found and convicted of trying to vote multiple times have been GOP Trump supporters.
The GOP projects that Voter ID is essential (and I agree that it isn't a terrible requirement) but then they close state offices where such IDs can be issued so as to disenfranchise as many Democratic (Black) voters as possible.
Who are the greatest opponents of voter ID laws....? Precisely, the same Democrats who support mass illegal immigration....in total alignment with the donor business interests that want to employ these folks below the regular wage limits and would much prefer not to be able to identify them (hence their opposition to I-Verify legislation). So, the chances of the illegals getting caught violating the rule against non-citizen voting are virtually nil in the absence of voter ID laws.
Trump, Vance, Musk and the rightwinged echo system have one goal: destroy the faith in the electoral system so they can demagogue their way into power. In a healthy democracy, even the best and the brightest do not have unlimited power, let alone second and third rate talents. But in much more chaotic circumstances, they can carve a niche and seize power.
The onus is on those making these extraordinary claims to provide extraordinary evidence. We've seen nothing but conjecture and fearmongering. It's time to stop undermining our democracy with these unsubstantiated allegations...nice piece, Walter.
It seems like people who make this argument about democrats supporting illegal immigration to boost their voting numbers tend to also rail against immigrants not doing enough assimilate into culture of the US. To me these two arguments seem to come in conflict with each other. Like we're suppose believe immigrants are are not interested in contributing to our society, but also they're mobilizing in large numbers and risking their very right to be here just cast a vote.
This is just not true. A monstrous distortion of the facts. An interpretation built upon emotions along with a preconceived notion of what is right and wrong that can only come about by condemning all those that don't think like you.
People aren't ready to talk about this, but if Republicans wanted to reduce immigration, they would stop complaining about "the open border." Americans know they're full of shit, but prospective immigrants hear it and occasionally believe it.
Your entire claim about Elon is false. So sad. What Elon actually said was "Biden's strategy is very simple: 1. Get as many illegals in the country as possible. 2. Legalize them to create a permanent majority – a one-party state." He claimed this is "why they are encouraging so much illegal immigration". Entire article built on a false claim.
Indeed. I note that this month’s AMAC Magazine, the print publication of the right-wing counterpart to AARP, carries a cover story this month entitled “Will the 2024 Election Be Rigged?”, full of Mollie Hemingway-type theorizing.
Food for thought; one must come to the forum with clean hands in order to be heard. Think about this. The president sends a scouting party to the southern border and the scouting party sends back a message; 250,000 undocumented aliens entering per month. A second scouting party sends back a message; 250,000 illegal aliens entering per month.
The president does not know whether or not to send 12,000 secretaries to document the aliens or 12,000 border agents to stop them from entering.
Simply put, the first scouting party that utilized euphemisms to avoid accuracy and honesty, still stated a factually correct statement. That's why, a factually, correct statement can still be a lie. Remember, you must come to the forum with clean hands.
I really appreciate the work put into this post, but as someone who has similarly invested a horrendous amount of time debunking the endless stolen election lunacy, I'm sorry to say it's a giant waste of time. The basic premise of this specific scheme is so patently inane that it crumbles in response to elementary questions. If the accusation is one of fraud, why would you even need real flesh and blood people? If you are going to use real people, why use a demographic explicitly prohibited from voting?
None of this makes any sense from the very beginning, and it's why it only resonates with the segment of the population who are either experiencing delusional psychosis or are otherwise hopelessly gullible (along with those play-acting because they rely on the support of gullible masses). As the adage goes, you can't reason with people out of positions they didn't reason into.
> And as we do, we will find ourselves circling around to another question: If Musk or Trump or Vance have good evidence that this is happening, why haven’t they presented it?
Perhaps for the same reason you never substantiate most of your bold claims of fact: it doesn't seem to you like you need to, because it is "obviously" true.
Interestingly so much of what the GOP has been saying is simply a projection of what they are doing.
They project that the Democrats are letting the flood of immigrants to come in but it is the GOP that is actually blocking the policies and funds that are needed to help stem the influx.
They project that there is voter fraud and Democrats voting multiple times but most (all?) of the voters found and convicted of trying to vote multiple times have been GOP Trump supporters.
The GOP projects that Voter ID is essential (and I agree that it isn't a terrible requirement) but then they close state offices where such IDs can be issued so as to disenfranchise as many Democratic (Black) voters as possible.
Musk going mad
I think the bogus voter fraud claims problem discourage voting among right-sing voters. Not by a whole lot, but enough to swing close elections.
Who are the greatest opponents of voter ID laws....? Precisely, the same Democrats who support mass illegal immigration....in total alignment with the donor business interests that want to employ these folks below the regular wage limits and would much prefer not to be able to identify them (hence their opposition to I-Verify legislation). So, the chances of the illegals getting caught violating the rule against non-citizen voting are virtually nil in the absence of voter ID laws.