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Vladan Lausevic's avatar

In 2014, when I would hear the word libertarian, I would think about freedom, free migration, and small government. In 2024, when I hear libertarian, I think about bigotry, racism, and collectivism.

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Chris Baker's avatar

I bet you spend a lot of time thinking about bigotry and racism.

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Vladan Lausevic's avatar

Indeed, because in Sweden I have been writing about racism and similar behaviours. https://glibe.substack.com/p/why-is-the-recent-the-grand-replacement

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Mar 13, 2024
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Chris Baker's avatar

That's right. Libertarianism is the principle of non-aggression. We are a minority of peaceful human beings living among a majority that stupid, violent, and sadistic.

As an author, I can also tell you that ghostwriting happens all the time. Of course, every ghostwriter expects to get paid. The fraud is when the name doesn't pay them.

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DeeceX's avatar

Very well-written analysis of the psycho courtship between RFK Jr. and the MAGA-remade Libertarian Party.

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Kiwiwriter47's avatar

When the Japanese signed an alliance with the United Kingdom in 1902, a Japanese poet called it "The Wedding of the Moon and the Mud Turtle."

Here we go again.

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Improv's avatar

I'm not bothered by the anti-woke stuff in the modern LP - it's high time society realign from validation back towards simple tolerance. I am bothered by how rather than being an adult reigning in excessive radicalism, some local parties look like just another radicalism - internet trolls pretending they're a party. They need to stand for something, they need to be decent, and they need to ditch all the antivax anti-science stuff and kick all the actual racists/sexists out. Otherwise they're just a voice for pointless rage.

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Randolph Carter's avatar

The weirdest thing is that they run in local/state elections and seem to think they can win through digital marketing and earned media. There's no appetite for the actual "meeting humans who live in the district and offering them a compelling vision for the future" that is central to politics, and so many people involved are such charisma black holes that maybe that's a good thing.

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Improv's avatar

As a former Libertarian, I think the party was probably composed of ideologues who believed that ideology is everything and that compelling visions were not what made someone a Libertarian; there's a tremendous (and misplaced) optimism that if someone gets hooked on the ideology, real world results don't matter and that everyone can get hooked on the ideology if a Libertarian can just talk to them and help them "see sense". It's pretty different from the open "convince me but you'll never get me entirely" world a lot of people live in, although in fairness that's never been everyone. For a lot of people, their party affiliation is instead a non-negotiable part of their identity, their family's identity, and their community's identity and they're even less movable.

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Matt Osborne's avatar

I met RFK Jr. once. I was in Charleston, WV at the premeire of "The Last Mountain" ca. 2011. FWIW I would guesstimate the attendance was half wokies and half future Trump voters.

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Randolph Carter's avatar

I'm not sure if the LP ever had a "heyday" - Weld was extremely old news (he hasn't been in office for like 20 years), sticks with the CFR on foreign policy (he is a member), and sat on the board of Acreage, an anticompetitive cannabis company that has worked hard to regulate their competition out of existence, leveraging former politicos like John Boehner and Weld to get the job done. Less bad than Kennedy, but still not exactly "libertarian." And Gary and the people at the top of his campaign proved to be completely unprepared for the task of running a national Presidential race, as they showed when he was running as a Republican prior to his nomination in the LP. At least NSON made some money.

I think this is the problem of a true ideological party in a first past the post system - parties don't stand for ideas, they stand for dispositional coalitions, and the ideas that motivate a party can change completely over time. The 2020s Democrats and Republicans are nothing like the 1990s Democrats and Republicans. It's why I think single issue campaigns are the only place that libertarians can have a real impact, by leveraging whatever preexisting political organizations out there depending on the issue you're working on.

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Andy Craig's avatar

Drug Decriminalization in Portugal: Lessons for Creating Fair and Successful Drug Policies, Glenn Greenwald, 2009

After Prohibition: An Adult Approach to Drug Policies in the 21st Century, Tim Lynch, 1999

Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America, Radley Balko, 2006

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SPW's avatar

So this is a bad marriage why?

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The Village Idiwitt's avatar

To say nothing of his old moon bat crazy stint at unfreash Air America Radio🤪…I still get relapses from tuning in and dropping out on his freak show with fellow crazed ambulance chaser psycho path Mike Papatino Thanks for topping my tank off with more Americas royal family gas bubbles Andy. Gotta run on. Peace through superior mental firepower.

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