Republicans need to stay in their lane. They forfeited any moral standing they might have had to contest changes to the Democratic ticket when they nominated a twice-impeached convicted felon, insurrectionist, fraudster, sex pest and serial liar as their party's 2024 presidential candidate.
The Republicans' motivation is transparent: they are trying to distract attention from the attempted coup of January 6, so they are trying to make the word coup lose its meaning.
The Democrats have already done everything they can to obliterate the meaning of the words coup and insurrection by incessantly applying them to the idiots and yahoos who rioted in and around the Capitol in January 6. Just like you killed the phrase “free and fair election” by applying it to the 2020 election. Both situations are the Democratic Party telling us not to believe our lying eyes. You can muster every douchebag reporter and talking head you want tell us the opposite, but people just ain’t that stupid. The left doesn’t know when to quit - it’s the biggest tell that even you know you’re full of shit, and if you don’t keep it up, there’ll be hell to pay. Frankly, I can understand that, because I certainly wouldn’t want to be on the losing end when the worm turns.
Well stated! Trump and the GOP simply preferred to run against the "old guy." Now, Trump is the old guy. (Of course, even a diminished Biden is better than Trump, but Democratic voters and donors made it clear they wanted a strong, vibrant candidate who could make a compelling case against Trump and the GOP/Heritage platform.
For three elections now, voters have been forced to choose between relatively unpopular candidates. I can't help but wonder if old-fashioned backroom dealing would have given us candidates that were more appealing to general election voters. Wouldn't that be a more democratic outcome?
There's an argument that, yes, it would be, since the elites doing the deciding would naturally grant greater weight to electability considerations—opting for candidates that a broader swathe of the electorate can live with rather than the candidate preferred by the most committed partisans.
Between "Joe Biden is is no longer mentally capable of being President" and "we're suing to keep Joe Biden on the ballot," it seems like the GOP should have to pick one.
For crying out loud, the only reason Biden dropped out, under heavy pressure from party leaders, is because hiding his physical condition became completely untenable. If he had muttled through the debate, despite his obvious infirmities everywhere else, we would still have him as the Dem candidate. Yes, Dem voters had cottoned on, but like everyone else in the Democratic Party, they were willing to go along with the charade as long as they could paint a brave face on it. So let us not peddle this bullshit that it was an expression of popular Dem sentiment - it was a calculated decision that Biden couldn’t win. They have said as much, if WaPo and NYT are to be believed, which, let’s be honest, they aren’t.
Peruse for a moment the Substack comments of many Dems who bewail Biden’s ouster as a travesty(!). They think he could have gutted it out and was treated monstrously by the party elites. And they think this despite seeing the same things we all have.
Republicans bemoan the undemocratic processes utilized to remove Biden only out of the urge to point out that Democrats, for all
their preening and posturing about democracy, are ultimately full of shit. Democratic norms are readily dispensed with when realpolitik rears its ugly head (and it should be noted that the Dems put themselves in this position to begin with).
Any efforts to keep Biden in the ballot are to make Dems live with the consequences of their own chicanery.
This bullshit about Jan 6 being an insurrection or coup attempt has got to stop. It was a demonstration with idiots that ran riot, nothing more. Democrats ought to know ALL ABOUT this Sort of thing, seeing as how they practice it regularly, tacking up $billions in damages in the process. It makes those hollering “coup” look like absolute fools.
But in any event, the Dems made their bed with Biden and now they’re scrambling to dump
The poor old ox so they don’t actually have to
Sleep with him anymore. They absolutely should dump him - he should have never been there to begin with with, and I shudder to think about a Harris Administration (two words that should strike fear in the hearts of all but the most delusional Americans) - but to pretend this was a sudden upswing of Democratic (small d) popular sentiment is unadulterated crap. It was solely the realization that Biden was incapacitated and would lose, with the defenestration carried out by party leadership. All these other atmospherics are just that - filler
To clog the airways and pollute the mind to distract from the national crisis the Democrats have engineered.
We are in treacherous territory now. The Dems are responsible. Don’t let them forget it for one second.
January 6 was, in fact, an insurrection. I’m sorry that it offends your partisan sensibilities to hear that, but on this site we will never hold back from telling the truth about it.
Pfft. It’s not the “truth”, it’s nothing more than self-serving partisan whining and axe grinding. It doesn’t offend my partisan sensitivities, it sets off my bullshit alarm something fierce. There was no plan, no backup, no cabal of military officials waiting in the wings. What would have happened if they got to the House floor and disrupted the certification vote? NOTHING - that is what would have changed. Everything would have gone off as it did even if the protesters/rioters were 100 percent effective, because they had NO PLAN, and would have just gone home if they weren’t arrested - and they all would have been arrested, anyway. It’s insane and childish to parade around, donning the mantle of “truth-teller” when the angle being promoted is a blatantly partisan, self-serving mischaracterization of something we all saw with our own eyes. But it’s exactly the kind of childish bullshit we’ve all come to know and expect from today’s left. That it’s cloaked in apparently sincere self-righteousness just makes it worse, because it demonstrates a detachment from reality that’s going to be a huge problem for years to come. If this is what we can expect of “adult” analysis, we are destined to be ruled by the whims of children. Wake the fuck up and join us here in the real world, goddamnit.
January 6 was the culmination of a two month-campaign of fake electors and intimidation of everyone from front line poll workers to the Georgia Secretary of State. It was an autogolpe.
Where to begin - shall we start with the lady’s piece, which repeats one falsehood & debunked slander after another about Trump’s record or why Republican voters ultimately chose him again *in spite of* all the charges she cites & thinks are so dispositive that…checks notes…more than half of the country rejected them as unserious & contrived, all to play an epic game of whataboutism to evade the massive cognitive dissonance the left is engaging in by couping their own President & evading his manifest incapacities for years, & now pretending like he’s doing this voluntarily & ‘for the good of…something’ no Qs asked??? Or should we look at your gaslight of a piece equivocating all over yourself trying to evade the reality that the party just shat on its own process & voters bc of its fears of losing an election & that that’s somehow ‘democracy’?? Kind of like how you say men are women & up is down? That crap may work on the brain dead masses u pander to who desperately seek direction from above, but it works on absolutely zero real thinking human beings. Yes parties can do whatever they want - and they also chose decades ago to go to direct popular voting by proxy. Elite delegates suddenly panicking & throwing out their own voters’ will is the definition of anti democratic, and doubling down on that by anointing some1 who has never won a single delegate for this position is the cherry of anti-democracy on top. No amount of yes GASLIGHTING, which is what this ‘piece’ is - will change that for you or make the 2/3 of America that still has their brains & self respect see it any other way. But what do I know - just ask BLM, who said the same thing! 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
It's nearly impossible to wade through the barely-coherent babbling in your reply here, but, even when you're at least somewhat gesturing at an argument, it falls apart at slightest contact with reality.
Take the claim that "elite delegates" have "suddenly panicked" and "thrown out their own voters' will." We've adduced evidence in this very piece, which is only a small sampling of the total evidence one can gather, to support our claim that Democratic voters by and large, at least post-debate, wanted Biden to step aside. An NYT/Siena poll cited 52% of Democrats wanting Biden to stay in *pre-debate*, and that number shrank to 48% post-debate. Just weeks after the debate, a whopping two-thirds of Democrats (not independents, not Republicans) wanted Biden to step aside. That means the Democratic power players who subjected Biden to a pressure campaign to withdraw were being responsive to, not dismissive of, their voters' preferences. Citing Biden's primary victories doesn't help your argument since that's not being disputed; we agree that Democratic voters did in fact prefer Biden when a critical mass of them believed he was more cognitively lucid than they ended up realizing he was. But a lot has happened since the primaries. Democratic preference doesn't fossilize into its final form the moment the final primary votes are counted; democratic preference is an ongoing thing, capable of being tracked over time—even past the artificial limits we impose on our political processes (such as the primary cycle of a presidential election). Once the debate happened and it collectively dawned on Democrats that Biden's capacities had dwindled below any reasonable measure of governing fitness, they sent signals that they wanted someone else to challenge Trump this November.
I've given your unserious reply more attention than it deserves. I fully expect to get some sort of "Yeah RIGHT, this is just more spin from a DEMONcrat extremist who is bought and paid for by the pro-SOROS SuperPAC, IN TRANSANTIFA WE TRUST" response. So, I'll just stop here and wait for that.
Lol - the only thing funnier than your first gaslight that changing the rules of the road at the 11th hour is somehow being ‘responsive’ to voters that you just shat on (& coming AFTER, mind u, a process that the Dems already rigged for Biden & which the party voters & elites were all perfectly content to play along with), is your new one introduced here that “things changed” since the final primary a few weeks ago. As if Dems didn’t know what the whole world has known all along - that pudding brain was as much mush a year ago as he is now. Then again, since yall are masters of gaslighting & evasion - many sadly did just learn that truth a few weeks ago. Hence u panicked bc the epic drubbing that was coming was too much to bear. So like the spoiled children the party has become, u smashed the table & threw out the game in desperation and yes, anti democratic machinations. But pls - do keep telling yourselves that this is all normal & being ‘responsive’ to reality, just like how you got in this mess too! 😂😂😂😂
That was sent by mistake, as it wasn’t finished, but there’s probably enough there to piss you off anyhow, so I’m Going back to preparing dinner and will resume my ranting at a future date.
“Only the Democrats care about Presidential fitness”. I wouldn’t believe someone would commit that to writing if it wasn’t staring me in the face. The ways in which this runs contrary to our national experience the last 5 years (minimally, but probably 8) are too many and varied for me to commit to Listing before tomorrow dawns, but can neatly be summed up in two words: Biden/Harris. (Ok, I lied. More “words” in the pantheon of Dem presidential “fitness”: John Kerry, John Edwards (where is he, anyway?), Elizabeth Warren. . . I can keep going - I have a whole bag of this over here).
Anywho, if I hadn’t seen it, I wouldn’t otherwise believe it. These are public intellectuals? Good grav , . .
That ANY Democrat believes that Biden was running ANYTHING shows how gullible, blind and wilfully ignorant Democrat followers are. He has been incapable of walking a straight line, speaking a legible sentence or tying his own shoelaces, and the Left tried to cover it up for 4 years until they no longer could.
The man was correctly considered unfit to run for office in 2020, before he was even inaugurated, and got only worse, while Democrats continued to push the belief that he was fit for office even after the horrific debate, right until the very last few days when he resigned.
Then, all of a sudden, the debate shocked everyone that he was unfit. Well, it only shocked the cult followers but it hasn't shocked ANYONE paying attention. The rest of the world, along with the right has been screaming how unfit he was for years but the media, which is supposed to be free and fair covered it up.
How ridiculous. How pitiful. How blatantly misleading. It is truly banana republic level governing.
People, the emperor has no clothes. Everyone now sees it. Everyone knows it.
This is the only reason Trump is winning. You can only fool the general public so many times and now the Left is facing the consequences of it.
Anybody who doesn't see it is in a cult and will never see it. You can avoid reality, but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.
The greatest irony here being that Republicans do in fact know a lot about running coups.
If Republicans have lost their minds over this imagine how they would have lit their hair on fire if Biden HAD resigned and Harris would be the incumbent running for reelection and letting Biden have an office next door to the Oval where he would act as President Emeritus and take on policies to help unburden Harris as she campaigned.
As a conservative independent I will be voting for whoever runs as the Democratic nominee and against any Republican up down the ballot in hopes that the GOP returns to sanity.
As an outside observer I would say that as long as they don't suspend the rules and leave the door open to other nominees the "democratic" principle would have been preserved to the satisfaction of members of the Party.
I think that it would be instructive for voters to see how democracy works... in contrast to the Republican coronation of a criminally corrupt felon last week in Milwaukee.
It may be technically legitimate under Democratic Party nomination rules, but Kamala’s coronation by party insiders is definitely not democratic. She has received exactly zero votes from voters for her to be President in any primary. Biden should have dropped out six months ago to allow all contenders to compete for votes in primaries and to debate against one another.
Republicans need to stay in their lane. They forfeited any moral standing they might have had to contest changes to the Democratic ticket when they nominated a twice-impeached convicted felon, insurrectionist, fraudster, sex pest and serial liar as their party's 2024 presidential candidate.
The Republicans' motivation is transparent: they are trying to distract attention from the attempted coup of January 6, so they are trying to make the word coup lose its meaning.
The Democrats have already done everything they can to obliterate the meaning of the words coup and insurrection by incessantly applying them to the idiots and yahoos who rioted in and around the Capitol in January 6. Just like you killed the phrase “free and fair election” by applying it to the 2020 election. Both situations are the Democratic Party telling us not to believe our lying eyes. You can muster every douchebag reporter and talking head you want tell us the opposite, but people just ain’t that stupid. The left doesn’t know when to quit - it’s the biggest tell that even you know you’re full of shit, and if you don’t keep it up, there’ll be hell to pay. Frankly, I can understand that, because I certainly wouldn’t want to be on the losing end when the worm turns.
Do you think progressives like Obama who wanted an open convention are necessarily wrong even if both options are legitimate?
I think it would be perfectly fine to coalesce around Harris, or for a different nominee to emerge from an open convention.
Well stated! Trump and the GOP simply preferred to run against the "old guy." Now, Trump is the old guy. (Of course, even a diminished Biden is better than Trump, but Democratic voters and donors made it clear they wanted a strong, vibrant candidate who could make a compelling case against Trump and the GOP/Heritage platform.
For three elections now, voters have been forced to choose between relatively unpopular candidates. I can't help but wonder if old-fashioned backroom dealing would have given us candidates that were more appealing to general election voters. Wouldn't that be a more democratic outcome?
There's an argument that, yes, it would be, since the elites doing the deciding would naturally grant greater weight to electability considerations—opting for candidates that a broader swathe of the electorate can live with rather than the candidate preferred by the most committed partisans.
Between "Joe Biden is is no longer mentally capable of being President" and "we're suing to keep Joe Biden on the ballot," it seems like the GOP should have to pick one.
You read my mind: https://x.com/bernybelvedere/status/1815452860592582896
For crying out loud, the only reason Biden dropped out, under heavy pressure from party leaders, is because hiding his physical condition became completely untenable. If he had muttled through the debate, despite his obvious infirmities everywhere else, we would still have him as the Dem candidate. Yes, Dem voters had cottoned on, but like everyone else in the Democratic Party, they were willing to go along with the charade as long as they could paint a brave face on it. So let us not peddle this bullshit that it was an expression of popular Dem sentiment - it was a calculated decision that Biden couldn’t win. They have said as much, if WaPo and NYT are to be believed, which, let’s be honest, they aren’t.
Peruse for a moment the Substack comments of many Dems who bewail Biden’s ouster as a travesty(!). They think he could have gutted it out and was treated monstrously by the party elites. And they think this despite seeing the same things we all have.
Republicans bemoan the undemocratic processes utilized to remove Biden only out of the urge to point out that Democrats, for all
their preening and posturing about democracy, are ultimately full of shit. Democratic norms are readily dispensed with when realpolitik rears its ugly head (and it should be noted that the Dems put themselves in this position to begin with).
Any efforts to keep Biden in the ballot are to make Dems live with the consequences of their own chicanery.
This bullshit about Jan 6 being an insurrection or coup attempt has got to stop. It was a demonstration with idiots that ran riot, nothing more. Democrats ought to know ALL ABOUT this Sort of thing, seeing as how they practice it regularly, tacking up $billions in damages in the process. It makes those hollering “coup” look like absolute fools.
But in any event, the Dems made their bed with Biden and now they’re scrambling to dump
The poor old ox so they don’t actually have to
Sleep with him anymore. They absolutely should dump him - he should have never been there to begin with with, and I shudder to think about a Harris Administration (two words that should strike fear in the hearts of all but the most delusional Americans) - but to pretend this was a sudden upswing of Democratic (small d) popular sentiment is unadulterated crap. It was solely the realization that Biden was incapacitated and would lose, with the defenestration carried out by party leadership. All these other atmospherics are just that - filler
To clog the airways and pollute the mind to distract from the national crisis the Democrats have engineered.
We are in treacherous territory now. The Dems are responsible. Don’t let them forget it for one second.
January 6 was, in fact, an insurrection. I’m sorry that it offends your partisan sensibilities to hear that, but on this site we will never hold back from telling the truth about it.
Pfft. It’s not the “truth”, it’s nothing more than self-serving partisan whining and axe grinding. It doesn’t offend my partisan sensitivities, it sets off my bullshit alarm something fierce. There was no plan, no backup, no cabal of military officials waiting in the wings. What would have happened if they got to the House floor and disrupted the certification vote? NOTHING - that is what would have changed. Everything would have gone off as it did even if the protesters/rioters were 100 percent effective, because they had NO PLAN, and would have just gone home if they weren’t arrested - and they all would have been arrested, anyway. It’s insane and childish to parade around, donning the mantle of “truth-teller” when the angle being promoted is a blatantly partisan, self-serving mischaracterization of something we all saw with our own eyes. But it’s exactly the kind of childish bullshit we’ve all come to know and expect from today’s left. That it’s cloaked in apparently sincere self-righteousness just makes it worse, because it demonstrates a detachment from reality that’s going to be a huge problem for years to come. If this is what we can expect of “adult” analysis, we are destined to be ruled by the whims of children. Wake the fuck up and join us here in the real world, goddamnit.
You are embarrassingly uninformed about what happened on January 6 and you're too ideologically blinkered to do anything about it. A damn shame.
What part(s) am I missing? What would have come of it? Please, do enlighten those of us whose scales have yet to fall from our eyes.
January 6 was the culmination of a two month-campaign of fake electors and intimidation of everyone from front line poll workers to the Georgia Secretary of State. It was an autogolpe.
Ah, the Fox News bogeyman. I don't watch Fox, not that it would matter if I did. What are the "true facts" that I am missing?
Damn, this is some next-level gaslighting even by the high standards of the current American left. 😂😂😂
What do you take issue with in the argument?
Where to begin - shall we start with the lady’s piece, which repeats one falsehood & debunked slander after another about Trump’s record or why Republican voters ultimately chose him again *in spite of* all the charges she cites & thinks are so dispositive that…checks notes…more than half of the country rejected them as unserious & contrived, all to play an epic game of whataboutism to evade the massive cognitive dissonance the left is engaging in by couping their own President & evading his manifest incapacities for years, & now pretending like he’s doing this voluntarily & ‘for the good of…something’ no Qs asked??? Or should we look at your gaslight of a piece equivocating all over yourself trying to evade the reality that the party just shat on its own process & voters bc of its fears of losing an election & that that’s somehow ‘democracy’?? Kind of like how you say men are women & up is down? That crap may work on the brain dead masses u pander to who desperately seek direction from above, but it works on absolutely zero real thinking human beings. Yes parties can do whatever they want - and they also chose decades ago to go to direct popular voting by proxy. Elite delegates suddenly panicking & throwing out their own voters’ will is the definition of anti democratic, and doubling down on that by anointing some1 who has never won a single delegate for this position is the cherry of anti-democracy on top. No amount of yes GASLIGHTING, which is what this ‘piece’ is - will change that for you or make the 2/3 of America that still has their brains & self respect see it any other way. But what do I know - just ask BLM, who said the same thing! 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
It's nearly impossible to wade through the barely-coherent babbling in your reply here, but, even when you're at least somewhat gesturing at an argument, it falls apart at slightest contact with reality.
Take the claim that "elite delegates" have "suddenly panicked" and "thrown out their own voters' will." We've adduced evidence in this very piece, which is only a small sampling of the total evidence one can gather, to support our claim that Democratic voters by and large, at least post-debate, wanted Biden to step aside. An NYT/Siena poll cited 52% of Democrats wanting Biden to stay in *pre-debate*, and that number shrank to 48% post-debate. Just weeks after the debate, a whopping two-thirds of Democrats (not independents, not Republicans) wanted Biden to step aside. That means the Democratic power players who subjected Biden to a pressure campaign to withdraw were being responsive to, not dismissive of, their voters' preferences. Citing Biden's primary victories doesn't help your argument since that's not being disputed; we agree that Democratic voters did in fact prefer Biden when a critical mass of them believed he was more cognitively lucid than they ended up realizing he was. But a lot has happened since the primaries. Democratic preference doesn't fossilize into its final form the moment the final primary votes are counted; democratic preference is an ongoing thing, capable of being tracked over time—even past the artificial limits we impose on our political processes (such as the primary cycle of a presidential election). Once the debate happened and it collectively dawned on Democrats that Biden's capacities had dwindled below any reasonable measure of governing fitness, they sent signals that they wanted someone else to challenge Trump this November.
I've given your unserious reply more attention than it deserves. I fully expect to get some sort of "Yeah RIGHT, this is just more spin from a DEMONcrat extremist who is bought and paid for by the pro-SOROS SuperPAC, IN TRANSANTIFA WE TRUST" response. So, I'll just stop here and wait for that.
Lol - the only thing funnier than your first gaslight that changing the rules of the road at the 11th hour is somehow being ‘responsive’ to voters that you just shat on (& coming AFTER, mind u, a process that the Dems already rigged for Biden & which the party voters & elites were all perfectly content to play along with), is your new one introduced here that “things changed” since the final primary a few weeks ago. As if Dems didn’t know what the whole world has known all along - that pudding brain was as much mush a year ago as he is now. Then again, since yall are masters of gaslighting & evasion - many sadly did just learn that truth a few weeks ago. Hence u panicked bc the epic drubbing that was coming was too much to bear. So like the spoiled children the party has become, u smashed the table & threw out the game in desperation and yes, anti democratic machinations. But pls - do keep telling yourselves that this is all normal & being ‘responsive’ to reality, just like how you got in this mess too! 😂😂😂😂
That was sent by mistake, as it wasn’t finished, but there’s probably enough there to piss you off anyhow, so I’m Going back to preparing dinner and will resume my ranting at a future date.
“Only the Democrats care about Presidential fitness”. I wouldn’t believe someone would commit that to writing if it wasn’t staring me in the face. The ways in which this runs contrary to our national experience the last 5 years (minimally, but probably 8) are too many and varied for me to commit to Listing before tomorrow dawns, but can neatly be summed up in two words: Biden/Harris. (Ok, I lied. More “words” in the pantheon of Dem presidential “fitness”: John Kerry, John Edwards (where is he, anyway?), Elizabeth Warren. . . I can keep going - I have a whole bag of this over here).
Anywho, if I hadn’t seen it, I wouldn’t otherwise believe it. These are public intellectuals? Good grav , . .
That ANY Democrat believes that Biden was running ANYTHING shows how gullible, blind and wilfully ignorant Democrat followers are. He has been incapable of walking a straight line, speaking a legible sentence or tying his own shoelaces, and the Left tried to cover it up for 4 years until they no longer could.
The man was correctly considered unfit to run for office in 2020, before he was even inaugurated, and got only worse, while Democrats continued to push the belief that he was fit for office even after the horrific debate, right until the very last few days when he resigned.
Then, all of a sudden, the debate shocked everyone that he was unfit. Well, it only shocked the cult followers but it hasn't shocked ANYONE paying attention. The rest of the world, along with the right has been screaming how unfit he was for years but the media, which is supposed to be free and fair covered it up.
How ridiculous. How pitiful. How blatantly misleading. It is truly banana republic level governing.
People, the emperor has no clothes. Everyone now sees it. Everyone knows it.
This is the only reason Trump is winning. You can only fool the general public so many times and now the Left is facing the consequences of it.
Anybody who doesn't see it is in a cult and will never see it. You can avoid reality, but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.
The greatest irony here being that Republicans do in fact know a lot about running coups.
If Republicans have lost their minds over this imagine how they would have lit their hair on fire if Biden HAD resigned and Harris would be the incumbent running for reelection and letting Biden have an office next door to the Oval where he would act as President Emeritus and take on policies to help unburden Harris as she campaigned.
As a conservative independent I will be voting for whoever runs as the Democratic nominee and against any Republican up down the ballot in hopes that the GOP returns to sanity.
As an outside observer I would say that as long as they don't suspend the rules and leave the door open to other nominees the "democratic" principle would have been preserved to the satisfaction of members of the Party.
I think that it would be instructive for voters to see how democracy works... in contrast to the Republican coronation of a criminally corrupt felon last week in Milwaukee.
Funny they should care about the law now., what with their felon issues and the like. All the more reason
to focus on defeating Doddering Donald first and hashing out everything else afterwards.
It may be technically legitimate under Democratic Party nomination rules, but Kamala’s coronation by party insiders is definitely not democratic. She has received exactly zero votes from voters for her to be President in any primary. Biden should have dropped out six months ago to allow all contenders to compete for votes in primaries and to debate against one another.