Once also can look at US history and how a bunch of people in white robes and cone shaped white hoods terrorized people of color, Jews and others across the country. I just wonder how many of these masked ICE agents are either descendants of those that wore those robes or themselves have a set in their own closets at home.
Yes, anonymity is a driving force in ruining our civic environment. Civilized police forces have prominent numbers on their uniforms. Social media is so ugly because people hide behind a handle.
You're probably right about ICE, but I want to address Plato here.
I agree with Socrates that one is truly just when they act justly even when no one else would know.
However, I don't know about how I got a moral education out of my traumatic childhood. I was beaten regularly and was abused in several other ways. Maybe I only learned what NOT to do.
Amazing, isn't it. Plato and many after him were so able to understand the weaknesses of human nature. They were all part of the great books Western Tradition that the right wing insists is being destroyed and replaced by multi-culturalism. Ironic that they keep claiming these ICE agents must be masked in order to be part of saving us from the collapse of Western civilization. That being the civilization of dead white men.
Well said. I’ve often thought about Plato’s allegory of the Cave with the current political situation. Those in the cave are watching manipulated shadows (certain cable news) and when one of them escapes to the surface to see the reality of the world he comes back to tell those in the cave they refuse to believe him
This is an important article. Thank you. If I remember correctly, Toqueville in Democracy in America, wrote more or less the same thing. Not to mention the fact that it is just plain common sense!!!!
When public opinion is STRONG, Trump knows he has to back down. It's time to call Congress (202 224 3121) and the White House (202 456 1414) about ICE reform. The next 10 days are critical. Read about the 10 Democratic proposals to curb ICE.
It is easy to agree with Glaucon and, I think, doxxing is no real explanation-- a bit like saying that "of course vandalism deserves death"-- the crime does not fit the punishment. But Socrates identifies the real problem, which is the lack of moral education." Morality and a sense of justice contribute to self-restraint, which is the only alternative to exposure and identification as publicly restraining forces. But moral education has been crippled or killed by both right and left since the 1950's. The left regarded it as a kind of atavistic remnant of religion and the right regarded it as socialistic idealism that has no place in a "muscular" Christian country. They have eviscerated the moral teachings of schools, universities and Houses of God. Both sides contradicted the knowledge of the Founders that morality and education-- critical for any just society--are especially so for a just democratic republican society. We live at a time, I think, when more and more Americans are discovering that the Founders were correct AND learning why. We have to pray it's not too late and support all efforts, individual and community, to repair our country's educational network and its moral principles.
"A federal grand jury has returned a two-count indictment charging three women – two from Southern California and one from Colorado – with following a United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent home, livestreaming their pursuit and then posting the victim’s home address on Instagram, the Justice Department announced today." No, it doesn't happen, except when it does.
Wouldn't that be a nice protection for you - another concept.
Concepts don't apply under natural law in physical reality. ICE has reminded us that, in the absence of rule of law, we are working only within this militant realm, as they prefer it, or through the one above it - the divine.
I find it interesting that $800,000,000 was transferred from the Navy's budget to help purchase immigration detention facilities. How could the ICE budget ever been too inadequate? The mask doesn't just live on faces, but entire facilities, and for all the traumatic material I've seen this year, it is these facilities that frighten me the most.
No, the proper analogy would be if the left were in favor of having masked CDC agents with guns and tear gas picking up unmasked folks from the street.
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Once also can look at US history and how a bunch of people in white robes and cone shaped white hoods terrorized people of color, Jews and others across the country. I just wonder how many of these masked ICE agents are either descendants of those that wore those robes or themselves have a set in their own closets at home.
Yes, anonymity is a driving force in ruining our civic environment. Civilized police forces have prominent numbers on their uniforms. Social media is so ugly because people hide behind a handle.
Jim Heffernan
You're probably right about ICE, but I want to address Plato here.
I agree with Socrates that one is truly just when they act justly even when no one else would know.
However, I don't know about how I got a moral education out of my traumatic childhood. I was beaten regularly and was abused in several other ways. Maybe I only learned what NOT to do.
Amazing, isn't it. Plato and many after him were so able to understand the weaknesses of human nature. They were all part of the great books Western Tradition that the right wing insists is being destroyed and replaced by multi-culturalism. Ironic that they keep claiming these ICE agents must be masked in order to be part of saving us from the collapse of Western civilization. That being the civilization of dead white men.
Well said. I’ve often thought about Plato’s allegory of the Cave with the current political situation. Those in the cave are watching manipulated shadows (certain cable news) and when one of them escapes to the surface to see the reality of the world he comes back to tell those in the cave they refuse to believe him
Keep writing
This is an important article. Thank you. If I remember correctly, Toqueville in Democracy in America, wrote more or less the same thing. Not to mention the fact that it is just plain common sense!!!!
When public opinion is STRONG, Trump knows he has to back down. It's time to call Congress (202 224 3121) and the White House (202 456 1414) about ICE reform. The next 10 days are critical. Read about the 10 Democratic proposals to curb ICE.
https://kathleenweber.substack.com/p/the-most-important-thing-you-can
It is easy to agree with Glaucon and, I think, doxxing is no real explanation-- a bit like saying that "of course vandalism deserves death"-- the crime does not fit the punishment. But Socrates identifies the real problem, which is the lack of moral education." Morality and a sense of justice contribute to self-restraint, which is the only alternative to exposure and identification as publicly restraining forces. But moral education has been crippled or killed by both right and left since the 1950's. The left regarded it as a kind of atavistic remnant of religion and the right regarded it as socialistic idealism that has no place in a "muscular" Christian country. They have eviscerated the moral teachings of schools, universities and Houses of God. Both sides contradicted the knowledge of the Founders that morality and education-- critical for any just society--are especially so for a just democratic republican society. We live at a time, I think, when more and more Americans are discovering that the Founders were correct AND learning why. We have to pray it's not too late and support all efforts, individual and community, to repair our country's educational network and its moral principles.
Plato did not get doxxed for performing a public duty. ICE agents and their families do.
John you probably won't care but the fact is that as of today, despite requests, ICE has not identified a single case of doxxing. It's a red herring
"A federal grand jury has returned a two-count indictment charging three women – two from Southern California and one from Colorado – with following a United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent home, livestreaming their pursuit and then posting the victim’s home address on Instagram, the Justice Department announced today." No, it doesn't happen, except when it does.
How is this anything unlike what ICE themselves do?
You think that just because they are paid by a corrupt state that it's okay?
Laws are being broken and there is little recourse.
Some believe justice will prevail, eventually.
History tells us that we must act against these illegal forces now.
I wouldn't be so eager to say it's not happening when you know we'll eventually have to hunt these Nazi'$ down. Sooner than later is best.
The discussion has reached the Godwin point.
Wouldn't that be a nice protection for you - another concept.
Concepts don't apply under natural law in physical reality. ICE has reminded us that, in the absence of rule of law, we are working only within this militant realm, as they prefer it, or through the one above it - the divine.
No one is forcing them to choose this job. If they don’t want to be accountable to the public, they should choose another line of work.
Right livelihood matters
I find it interesting that $800,000,000 was transferred from the Navy's budget to help purchase immigration detention facilities. How could the ICE budget ever been too inadequate? The mask doesn't just live on faces, but entire facilities, and for all the traumatic material I've seen this year, it is these facilities that frighten me the most.
The left was pro-mask in 2020 and the right is pro-mask in 2026. Tables have turned!
No, the proper analogy would be if the left were in favor of having masked CDC agents with guns and tear gas picking up unmasked folks from the street.