And being very much pro-immigrant is completely compatible with being cost effectively strict at the border with people arriving w/o visas. Rather it is the sine quo non of being able to do merit based immigration. MAGer not MAGA
No immigrants? Then no "America" as we know it. The original Indian tribes found living here by European explorers would never have made this land into what it became as a result of exploration and new arrivals from Europe. Objectors to porous borders is a new phenomenon, but many Americans became Americans only because they drifted here across our southern frontier, before it was declared a border, and our nation formally became a nation. Lost to history is the fact that this land's original occupation occurred because sea levels fell in the Bering Sea, enabling Asians/Russians to come here, becoming the "Indians" Columbus encountered, and the co-founders of San Francisco. So white Americans (European arrivals and their descendants) were actually latecomers and invaders, seen from the perspective of the long-established Indians already living here. "We" invaded and took over, thanks to guns vs. arrows. So let's not be so conceited that we arrogate to ourselves certain rights as if handed down from God Almighty. Actually, this land was invaded by first- & second-generation aliens and taken from its original occupants by force, using the superweapon of the era: gunpowder. As is said, "History is written by the victors." Spain nearly beat Anglos to it in the southwestern US. Mexicans & Spanish once occupied & controlled most of California, plus all the Southwest as far north as Colorado before the Spanish-American War redefined ownership. Even the names Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico (originally Nuevo Mexico) & Nevada were occupied by Spain (as those Spanish names of states & their cities imply).
Americans (especially whites) need to brush up on this bit of history to learn the truth and to expunge their minds of false understandings. If Spain had won the Spanish-American War, much of the US would be part of Mexico, ruled by Mexico. Temper your hubris with knowledge that has been censored out of the history books we learned from. Do the research. Arrive at an understanding based on facts, not arrogance.
Had the Russians been more aggressive and acquisitive, our West Coast might now be Russian. In San Francisco, there still stands a neighborhood called "Russian Hill" to remind us of that history. As it is, every city or state whose name starts with "Los, Las," or "El" was once under Spain's control, settled by Spanish explorers/conquistadores. That includes Arizona and Nuevo Mexico, now called "New" Mexico. It also includes "Colorado," Spanish for the word "red," referring to the color of much of its soil. Don't rely on the shaded version of history taught in grade school, which pretended Anglo dominance was set from the start, just because settlers mostly from England had taken over all land east of the Mississippi. Spain was dominant in our Southwest, having been the first even to claim Florida for Spain, early on; while Louisiana and the Mississippi Valley were explored and settled by French explorers, as witness the French names New Orleans, Baton Rouge, St. Louis, etc.
As is said, "The victors write the history books." To get to the whole truth, we must dig deeper than the common history books.
Trump is either ignorant of all this history, or makes it up as he goes, spewing falsehoods like sowing a field of grain., knowing hardly anybody will prove him a liar. Too bad few challenge his ignorance and lies. (Those keeping track say he has already told more than 30,000 lies since rising to prominence.)
To quote a long-gone Sci-Fi series, "The truth is out there." We just must access it. Not to do so means living a partial understanding as to how matters came to be. Just beware picking the wrong history books, the ones that omit the truth, or disfigure it to aggrandize white pride & arrogance. It is easy to find descriptions of white dominance over the Indians; it is much harder to find accounts telling of Indian dominance over invading whites, such as the events at Wounded Knee or at Little Big Horn River. To white America, Geronimo, Crazy Horse & Sitting Bull were bad guys. To the Commanches, Sioux & Apaches, they were heroes. They just embraced oral history, not written history, since they had no written languages to start with. But they gave as good as they got, defending their turf. Hollywood rarely told the whole of it. As is said, the victors write the history. Dig deeper.
If the future of the country under Kamala is to be considered, all anyone has to do is look at the State of California, Kamala's own home and where she hails from, as to what the US can expect under Harris. There is enough there to make sure she NEVER gets into office.
The state is in ruins, homelessness is rampant, crime is rampant, the economy is imploding and there is no end in sight to the devastation. She can say all she wants, but her track record says everything that needs to be said.
"[California] is in ruins, homelessness is rampant, crime is rampant, the economy is imploding and there is no end in sight to the devastation. She can say all she wants, but her track record says everything that needs to be said."
Hyperbole like this is the sign of excess exposure to Fox and other sources of Trumpist propaganda. The situation in parts of California's major cities - and in parts of cities all up and down the West Coast including my adoptive home town of Portland - is not Kamala Harris' fault. As Attorney General and, later, U.S. Senator, Harris simply lacked the authority, power and length of incumbency to cause such widespread damage to the state. Surely you know that.
The plight in parts of California is caused partly by failed progressive policies and programs that have permitted homelessness, addiction, untreated mental illness and some types of crime to flourish. There are signs that corrections are underway. San Franciscans fired the Red Prince and district attorney Chesa Boudin. Voters in Oregon's most important county got rid of the hard-left D.A. But larger forces are also at work, including underinvestment in public housing, education, health care and jobs training at the national level thanks to Republicans' chronic refusal to think about the greater good.
Tulsi Gabbard is only worth listening to insofar as one is researching examples of thinly disguised Russian agents of influence.
The ruin in state of California is a direct product of the far Left, Democratic policies. They're not 'failed' policies. They are the spearhead of the Democratic party and represent Democratic policies that were always going to end up that way because they're subjective rather than objective ideologies, and are poorly conceived and executed. They were always flawed from the beginning.
The #1 problem with the left is that they no longer have objective ideology. It's all subjective and necessarily, eventually turns on itself. What is happening in California is proof that the Democratic party has failed, and the rest of the country is following California's example under Democrats.
That you would attack a decorated, honorable, military veteran as a foreign agent says everything that needs to be said about your own character, which is just a reflection of Democrats everywhere - anything goes and the ends justify their own means. You should be ashamed of yourself.
"The GOP’s new, Russia-friendly campaign-trail buddy: Tulsi Gabbard"
She once drew Republican daggers for her tolerant comments about Vladimir Putin. But these days many party players are embracing her as a Democratic dropout, despite the headaches it may bring them on Ukraine.
Wow. A slew of libellous opinion pieces against an honorable American who has risked her life for the country. Just amazing how ANY time someone stands up with articulate and accurate points against the Democratic narrative they always have to rely on character assassination.
How about you just combat the message rather than the messenger, because any other tactic is basically an admittance to defeat and you may as well throw up a white flag. I'd respect you more for it.
Tulsi's logic is sound, it's objective, it's clear and articulate and the only person who disagrees with sound logic is someone who belongs to a cult and wilfully remains ignorant.
These new Liberals are not the Liberals of the past. They have been co-opted and corrupted and are projecting something that looks like democracy, but in the end is nothing like actual democracy.
Get back to me when you can debate what's germane to the discussion.
With this, I've exceeded my daily limit of exposure to conspiratorial thinking and gaslighting, so I'm exiting this thread. Tulsi has a screw loose, in my opinion.
So, my wanting to stick to the facts is conspirational thinking and gaslighting, all you can do is personally attack me or a decorated veteran and now you need to leave because you can't rebut anything?
If it walks and quacks like a Democrat, it must be a Democrat.
It is much easier to refute lies. But such hyper exaggerations and distortions are hard to deal with. California has genuine problems, many of them caused by stupid progressive policies. But the right wants to depict it as some kind of hellscape, which is idiotic but trying to bring nuance and balance just gets you nowhere.
You're right. Only the heavily populated areas are. lol
Have you travelled the state?
I travel for a living. I've never seen downtown cores in such bad shape like I have in the San Francisco Bay area and Los Angeles, two of the most prominent cities in the state.
Tourists come to the downtown cores, unknowingly drawn by what they see in movies and they're shocked, utterly shocked that nobody is there. I speak to them all the time about it.
The locals completely avoid the downtown cores, businesses are leaving and some businesses are just abandoning their properties.and cutting their losses.
Homelessness and crime are rampant. I can't tell you how many times I've been in an affluent neighborhood where there has been a shooting or a gun drawn in public. California's crime rate is over 30% higher than the national rate.
I remember reading about tent cities over a decade ago, thinking it was just a product of the news exaggerating. They're EVERYWHERE and not an exaggeration.
California is seeing a rapid decline in population. People are fleeing the state for conservative states like Texas, Nevada and Tennessee. I personally know several friends that have done this in the last 3 years.
California is not a product of "stupid, progressive policies". It's an extension of what America will look like under a woke, "progressive", Liberal government...and guess where Kamala is from?
Kamala is the death knell to the US. There is absolutely no way to rationalize, justify or argue this away. Not that she'll be doing much. Just like Biden, a shell of a man that people pretend was "running" the country, she'll just be handled in the same manner with whomever is behind her pulling the strings.
San Diego isn't a total disaster yet because it's a military town with a strong conservative showing.
So you have rising crime, rising taxes, rising homelessness, rising evacuation of businesses and downtown cores...what exactly is the upside here? I'll wait.
I spent about a week and a half in the East Bay in March and April. Yes, I saw some tents and some busted RVs near the Oakland airport, but not much anywhere else. Definitely California, and definitely not "in ruins." It's been a few years since I was in San Francisco, but I spent a week there in December 2021 and what I saw then was a hectic scene in the Tenderloin and the tent city in the park across from city hall, but very little of anything like that in other parts of the city. In fact, as an example, Union Square seemed much cleaner and less sketchy than, say, the early to mid 2000s. Words have meanings. When you say things like California is "in ruins," and millions of people know this isn't true, you lose credibility. The rest of your rant doesn't help you on that front, either.
Other thing that was different in 1924 - we didn't have anything like the social safety net we have now. If we offer legal residency to anyone who wants it, it would be very rational for world's most poor, old, disabled people to come here for better life. Unfortunately it would be impossible for the US to help them all. What we need instead is a comprehensive work visa program.
Yeah, whatever can be built with 1.4 billion. And good job by the Texas GLO and Bailey to force the president to spend the money Congress appropriated for the purposes Congress specified. Things that shouldn't even be in question, but this is 2024.
Donald Trump is Eric Cartman in every way imaginable.
Except not as funny.
And being very much pro-immigrant is completely compatible with being cost effectively strict at the border with people arriving w/o visas. Rather it is the sine quo non of being able to do merit based immigration. MAGer not MAGA
No immigrants? Then no "America" as we know it. The original Indian tribes found living here by European explorers would never have made this land into what it became as a result of exploration and new arrivals from Europe. Objectors to porous borders is a new phenomenon, but many Americans became Americans only because they drifted here across our southern frontier, before it was declared a border, and our nation formally became a nation. Lost to history is the fact that this land's original occupation occurred because sea levels fell in the Bering Sea, enabling Asians/Russians to come here, becoming the "Indians" Columbus encountered, and the co-founders of San Francisco. So white Americans (European arrivals and their descendants) were actually latecomers and invaders, seen from the perspective of the long-established Indians already living here. "We" invaded and took over, thanks to guns vs. arrows. So let's not be so conceited that we arrogate to ourselves certain rights as if handed down from God Almighty. Actually, this land was invaded by first- & second-generation aliens and taken from its original occupants by force, using the superweapon of the era: gunpowder. As is said, "History is written by the victors." Spain nearly beat Anglos to it in the southwestern US. Mexicans & Spanish once occupied & controlled most of California, plus all the Southwest as far north as Colorado before the Spanish-American War redefined ownership. Even the names Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico (originally Nuevo Mexico) & Nevada were occupied by Spain (as those Spanish names of states & their cities imply).
Americans (especially whites) need to brush up on this bit of history to learn the truth and to expunge their minds of false understandings. If Spain had won the Spanish-American War, much of the US would be part of Mexico, ruled by Mexico. Temper your hubris with knowledge that has been censored out of the history books we learned from. Do the research. Arrive at an understanding based on facts, not arrogance.
Had the Russians been more aggressive and acquisitive, our West Coast might now be Russian. In San Francisco, there still stands a neighborhood called "Russian Hill" to remind us of that history. As it is, every city or state whose name starts with "Los, Las," or "El" was once under Spain's control, settled by Spanish explorers/conquistadores. That includes Arizona and Nuevo Mexico, now called "New" Mexico. It also includes "Colorado," Spanish for the word "red," referring to the color of much of its soil. Don't rely on the shaded version of history taught in grade school, which pretended Anglo dominance was set from the start, just because settlers mostly from England had taken over all land east of the Mississippi. Spain was dominant in our Southwest, having been the first even to claim Florida for Spain, early on; while Louisiana and the Mississippi Valley were explored and settled by French explorers, as witness the French names New Orleans, Baton Rouge, St. Louis, etc.
As is said, "The victors write the history books." To get to the whole truth, we must dig deeper than the common history books.
Trump is either ignorant of all this history, or makes it up as he goes, spewing falsehoods like sowing a field of grain., knowing hardly anybody will prove him a liar. Too bad few challenge his ignorance and lies. (Those keeping track say he has already told more than 30,000 lies since rising to prominence.)
To quote a long-gone Sci-Fi series, "The truth is out there." We just must access it. Not to do so means living a partial understanding as to how matters came to be. Just beware picking the wrong history books, the ones that omit the truth, or disfigure it to aggrandize white pride & arrogance. It is easy to find descriptions of white dominance over the Indians; it is much harder to find accounts telling of Indian dominance over invading whites, such as the events at Wounded Knee or at Little Big Horn River. To white America, Geronimo, Crazy Horse & Sitting Bull were bad guys. To the Commanches, Sioux & Apaches, they were heroes. They just embraced oral history, not written history, since they had no written languages to start with. But they gave as good as they got, defending their turf. Hollywood rarely told the whole of it. As is said, the victors write the history. Dig deeper.
"they took our jobs" seems to still be alive
What jobs? The ones they don’t want but still complain about it
yes, like in that South Park episode x)
If the future of the country under Kamala is to be considered, all anyone has to do is look at the State of California, Kamala's own home and where she hails from, as to what the US can expect under Harris. There is enough there to make sure she NEVER gets into office.
The state is in ruins, homelessness is rampant, crime is rampant, the economy is imploding and there is no end in sight to the devastation. She can say all she wants, but her track record says everything that needs to be said.
Tulsi Gabbard is worth listening to on Kamala.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-BI6hWymL1/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
"[California] is in ruins, homelessness is rampant, crime is rampant, the economy is imploding and there is no end in sight to the devastation. She can say all she wants, but her track record says everything that needs to be said."
Hyperbole like this is the sign of excess exposure to Fox and other sources of Trumpist propaganda. The situation in parts of California's major cities - and in parts of cities all up and down the West Coast including my adoptive home town of Portland - is not Kamala Harris' fault. As Attorney General and, later, U.S. Senator, Harris simply lacked the authority, power and length of incumbency to cause such widespread damage to the state. Surely you know that.
The plight in parts of California is caused partly by failed progressive policies and programs that have permitted homelessness, addiction, untreated mental illness and some types of crime to flourish. There are signs that corrections are underway. San Franciscans fired the Red Prince and district attorney Chesa Boudin. Voters in Oregon's most important county got rid of the hard-left D.A. But larger forces are also at work, including underinvestment in public housing, education, health care and jobs training at the national level thanks to Republicans' chronic refusal to think about the greater good.
Tulsi Gabbard is only worth listening to insofar as one is researching examples of thinly disguised Russian agents of influence.
The state of California is in ruins.
The ruin in state of California is a direct product of the far Left, Democratic policies. They're not 'failed' policies. They are the spearhead of the Democratic party and represent Democratic policies that were always going to end up that way because they're subjective rather than objective ideologies, and are poorly conceived and executed. They were always flawed from the beginning.
The #1 problem with the left is that they no longer have objective ideology. It's all subjective and necessarily, eventually turns on itself. What is happening in California is proof that the Democratic party has failed, and the rest of the country is following California's example under Democrats.
That you would attack a decorated, honorable, military veteran as a foreign agent says everything that needs to be said about your own character, which is just a reflection of Democrats everywhere - anything goes and the ends justify their own means. You should be ashamed of yourself.
"Tulsi Gabbard Is Being Used by the Russians, and to a Former US Double Agent, the Evidence Is Clear | Opinion"
Newsweek
Published Oct 21, 2019
https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-being-used-russians-former-us-double-agent-evidence-clear-opinion-1466750
"The GOP’s new, Russia-friendly campaign-trail buddy: Tulsi Gabbard"
She once drew Republican daggers for her tolerant comments about Vladimir Putin. But these days many party players are embracing her as a Democratic dropout, despite the headaches it may bring them on Ukraine.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/04/the-gops-new-russia-friendly-campaign-trail-buddy-tulsi-gabbard-00065024
"Tulsi Gabbard’s Biggest Political Donor In 2021 Is A Putin Apologist"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2022/03/14/checks--imbalances-gabbards-pro-putin-patron-russian-oligarch-indicted/
"Tulsi Gabbard Labeled a 'Russian Asset' for Pushing U.S. Biolabs in Ukraine Claim"
Newsweek Published Mar 14, 2022
https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-bio-labs-ukraine-russia-conspiracy-1687594
"Sen. Mitt Romney accused Tulsi Gabbard of 'parroting false Russian propaganda' after her comments on biolabs in Ukraine"
Kelsey Vlamis
Mar 13, 2022, Business Insider
https://www.businessinsider.com/mitt-romney-says-tulsi-gabbard-spreading-russian-propaganda-biolab-ukraine-2022-3?op=1
"Army Officer Tulsi Gabbard Faces Ire for Peddling Russian Disinformation About Ukraine Biolabs"
Military.com | By Konstantin Toropin
Published March 14, 2022
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/03/14/army-officer-tulsi-gabbard-faces-ire-peddling-russian-disinformation-about-ukraine-biolabs.html
Wow. A slew of libellous opinion pieces against an honorable American who has risked her life for the country. Just amazing how ANY time someone stands up with articulate and accurate points against the Democratic narrative they always have to rely on character assassination.
How about you just combat the message rather than the messenger, because any other tactic is basically an admittance to defeat and you may as well throw up a white flag. I'd respect you more for it.
Tulsi's logic is sound, it's objective, it's clear and articulate and the only person who disagrees with sound logic is someone who belongs to a cult and wilfully remains ignorant.
These new Liberals are not the Liberals of the past. They have been co-opted and corrupted and are projecting something that looks like democracy, but in the end is nothing like actual democracy.
Get back to me when you can debate what's germane to the discussion.
With this, I've exceeded my daily limit of exposure to conspiratorial thinking and gaslighting, so I'm exiting this thread. Tulsi has a screw loose, in my opinion.
What, his pronouncements backed up by 0 facts or references are not enough for you?
So, my wanting to stick to the facts is conspirational thinking and gaslighting, all you can do is personally attack me or a decorated veteran and now you need to leave because you can't rebut anything?
If it walks and quacks like a Democrat, it must be a Democrat.
Oh, FFS...the state of California is not "in ruins."
It is much easier to refute lies. But such hyper exaggerations and distortions are hard to deal with. California has genuine problems, many of them caused by stupid progressive policies. But the right wants to depict it as some kind of hellscape, which is idiotic but trying to bring nuance and balance just gets you nowhere.
Thank you. You said this much better than I could have.
You're right. Only the heavily populated areas are. lol
Have you travelled the state?
I travel for a living. I've never seen downtown cores in such bad shape like I have in the San Francisco Bay area and Los Angeles, two of the most prominent cities in the state.
Tourists come to the downtown cores, unknowingly drawn by what they see in movies and they're shocked, utterly shocked that nobody is there. I speak to them all the time about it.
The locals completely avoid the downtown cores, businesses are leaving and some businesses are just abandoning their properties.and cutting their losses.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/park-hotels-leaving-san-francisco-clouded-recovery/
Homelessness and crime are rampant. I can't tell you how many times I've been in an affluent neighborhood where there has been a shooting or a gun drawn in public. California's crime rate is over 30% higher than the national rate.
https://www.ppic.org/blog/californias-violent-crime-rate-is-diverging-from-the-national-trend/
I remember reading about tent cities over a decade ago, thinking it was just a product of the news exaggerating. They're EVERYWHERE and not an exaggeration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/31/opinion/california-homelessness-progressives.html
California is seeing a rapid decline in population. People are fleeing the state for conservative states like Texas, Nevada and Tennessee. I personally know several friends that have done this in the last 3 years.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-04-08/why-californians-are-fleeing-this-once-golden-state
California is not a product of "stupid, progressive policies". It's an extension of what America will look like under a woke, "progressive", Liberal government...and guess where Kamala is from?
Kamala is the death knell to the US. There is absolutely no way to rationalize, justify or argue this away. Not that she'll be doing much. Just like Biden, a shell of a man that people pretend was "running" the country, she'll just be handled in the same manner with whomever is behind her pulling the strings.
San Diego isn't a total disaster yet because it's a military town with a strong conservative showing.
https://voiceofsandiego.org/2020/12/17/how-san-diego-got-so-blue-in-a-relatively-short-amount-of-time/
So you have rising crime, rising taxes, rising homelessness, rising evacuation of businesses and downtown cores...what exactly is the upside here? I'll wait.
Tell me again how I'm exaggerating?
I spent about a week and a half in the East Bay in March and April. Yes, I saw some tents and some busted RVs near the Oakland airport, but not much anywhere else. Definitely California, and definitely not "in ruins." It's been a few years since I was in San Francisco, but I spent a week there in December 2021 and what I saw then was a hectic scene in the Tenderloin and the tent city in the park across from city hall, but very little of anything like that in other parts of the city. In fact, as an example, Union Square seemed much cleaner and less sketchy than, say, the early to mid 2000s. Words have meanings. When you say things like California is "in ruins," and millions of people know this isn't true, you lose credibility. The rest of your rant doesn't help you on that front, either.
So you spent a week in 'California' in one small region, in the last 3 years. Well, I supposed that should just about convince anyone.
Did you happen to survey any of the Million plus leaving the state, causing the population to drop? lol
Good job at a rebuttal!
Meanwhile, I'll just let everyone search for themselves, based on the links I provided as evidence and leave it at that. What a ridiculous reply.
Other thing that was different in 1924 - we didn't have anything like the social safety net we have now. If we offer legal residency to anyone who wants it, it would be very rational for world's most poor, old, disabled people to come here for better life. Unfortunately it would be impossible for the US to help them all. What we need instead is a comprehensive work visa program.
I have heard her say that in two speeches
By court order, Trump's border wall now must go up and Kamala and Joe must comply. They chose not to appeal.
Wonder why?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1818281389839814749?cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email
Yeah, whatever can be built with 1.4 billion. And good job by the Texas GLO and Bailey to force the president to spend the money Congress appropriated for the purposes Congress specified. Things that shouldn't even be in question, but this is 2024.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-5th-circuit/2284198.html