Janet, I recommend you do some research on that "poll" that you cited regarding popularity of the emergencies act for this purpose. An online poll of people who signed up to be a part of a poll by being in the know.
BTW imagine thinking that leftists like Justin Trudeau plays absolutely no role whatsoever in egging on "populists". I mean, suggesting that maybe there's a limit on how much we should "tolerate these people" is only a little bit Inflammatory, don't you think? Alas, it doesn't matter, because all problems are apparently because of populists on the right. Leftists can do no wrong, apparently.
Hi Randy, Of course, no poll is perfect. Whether or not you're inclined to believe them, there are many polls at this point showing the unpopularity of the Convoy, of which I chose to link two. Angus Reid uses an online panel, pulling a sample from which is one way to try to correct the problems with, for example, phone polling. I decided to go with Angus Reid because at the beginning of the protest they conducted another survey that found that 54% of Canadians think it's time to "End restrictons and let people self-isolate if they're at risk", https://angusreid.org/omicron-incidence-restrictions/ This at least suggests to me that the Angus Reid Forum is not pursuing a specific narrative about pandemic restrictions.
I can imagine thinking that Justin Trudeau has no role to play in egging on populists but of course he does. His responses to this protest have absolutely inflamed both sides of the divide and reinforced the stalemate in which we find ourselves. HIs invocation of the Emergencies Act would be inexcusable even if it hadn't escalated this conflict further. And of course, though it shouldn't be a partisan issue, many people on the left bear responsibility for denying the costs of pandemic restrictions, as well as failing to see the humanity in the protesters--I suspect both lie behind their swing in support for the Emergencies Act, for which they also deserve blame. It's certainly not all of the left, any more than everyone on the right bears the blame for the protests and the information environment in which they exist.
We may not agree, but I hope this puts to rest your concerns that I hadn't considered these questions.
By the way, if you're the Randy Shank who went to U Windsor, I hope you and your family are as well as can be expected over the past few years and since we last talked. It's been a really difficult time. Take care.
Thank you for your reply. Yes same Randy. We're doing quite well, all things considered.
I agree regarding polling. I personally think it's an incredibly flawed process no matter how your slice it.
As to inflammatory actions by people on both sides of the political spectrum, I want to point out that I know many people who have elected not to get vaccinated for a number of different reasons. One of those reasons that is incredibly common is due to the utter lack of transparency on the entire covid front. When we, as a society, are supposed to trust the mainstream media and the government but instead see the media push only one sort of narrative, it raises some serious questions. Unfortunately, in this highly polarized situation, those questions either aren't allowed to be asked (many doctors and people have been fired from their jobs for not buying into the narrative surrounding vaccines, for example) or, if they do get asked, instead of them being answered, the questioner gets called (insert pejorative here). I fail to see how this is a good method to bring about proper discourse in an allegedly democratic society.
This "pandemic" (if we can even call it that) has revealed some serious rifts in our society, and many people (Justin trudeau and the media establishment particularly) love nothing more than to degrade and exclude a certain segment of society under the guise of "public health". This goes way further back than this trucker protest.
Personally, I think it's incredibly unfair (and possibly dishonest, though I am reluctant to assume intent on your part) to suggest that populism (particularly that on the right) occurs inside a vacuum with no explanation from things going on in the outside world. The reality is that most of these people fall into the same category that I find myself in. I just want to be left alone to do what I believe is good for myself and my family. Unfortunately, the government and the media establishment want to impose draconian rules on people who want nothing to do with it. The more they double down on restrictions and mandates (for example), the more ordinary people who want to be left alone dig in their heels.
So, the entire covid situation has revealed the reality that this country is in trouble, one way or another. The establishment eggs on the populists, then the populists egg on the establishment, ad infinitum. Over the last six months, I've wanted nothing more than to leave this country because it's terrible. Unfortunately, the way this country and its neighbors have gone, I'm no longer allowed to do that.
One never trusts polls. Most are not designed to elicit truth. They are designed to elicit a certain response for political or advertising purposes. Where the poll was conducted and its population shall also give a hint as to the outcome. Ottawa has expanded greatly because of this sordid and despotic Covid nightmare, and we have had enough. But not the bureaucrats, especially the public health officials. More control and more misery never contents their insatiable thirst for power and domination.
Just as we are about to discover the truth behind Hillary and the Trump - Russia hoax after 5 years, so we shall find by thorough investigation the truth behind the Covid fraud and all the destruction rained down on the hard working people of this country and their children.
A little resistance and the premiers immediately abandon their rigid and merciless Covid edicts. The people have a good sense when they are confronting a fiction. It may take some time, but we shall know what really went on. It's already starting in the US, and that information shall be very helpful in exposing our public health dictatorship, as well as the rotten courts, cops, jurists, and other institutions that ignored the assault on our basic human rights .
Trudeau is watching his dream of turning Canada into the dictatorship his father and stepfather so wanted dissipate and quickly. He is prepared to destroy the country to obtain his aim. Well, I expect his weak government to fall very soon. They'll let him do the dirty deeds of quelling dissent in Ottawa and then put him out the back door.
I am going to comment again because my criticism last time seems to have fallen on deaf ears (nothing new under the sun).
The problem with your article lies in one paragraph made here. And this is not to mention the amount of lies and "misleading" in the article itself. I can address those issues another time. But here it goes
"This is all terrifying, especially because the crackdown is so popular. There are scenarios when extreme protest tactics might be justified — for example, when a state perpetrates or tolerates human rights abuses. The problem is that many Convoy occupiers really believe that human rights abuses are taking place in the form of a treasonous government experimenting with unsafe vaccinations and other similarly odious measures. This is simply not true."
Two years of restrictions were not " human rights abuses"? I think I may need a lesson in what human rights are. Is it not a human right to have Christmas dinner with your extended family? Is it not a human right to be able to have your kids play on playgrounds with other kids? Is it not a human right to protest against corrupt government? Do I need to remind you that there were protests every weekend during the "2 weeks to flatten the curve" that turned into two years of shopping for drapes at Walmart with a diaper on your face? Do I need to remind you that any protests against restrictions were banned when protests for BLM were promoted since "racism is a worse pandemic than covid"? Or how about the most egregious of all... Not being permitted to attend church and pastors being arrested for holding church services? Is religious liberty a right or not? I think I need to be enlightened here. Are these not human rights? Do we even have human rights?
What was the last two years then?
Give me a break Janet. You're not seeing the forest for the trees.
Well, there are benefits to being a capital city and there are several disadvantages. Ottawa has known nothing but generous benefits for decades, the seized wealth of Canadians lavished on its residents.
Along comes one of the disadvantages, a group of people grievously harmed by the incessant Covid demands and restrictions on their ability to earn a living. Too bad they aren't public workers or politicians that haven't endured any loss of income and actually enjoyed bigger paycheques.
2 years of Covid tyranny that a vocal group finally smashed a truck through and brought to a swift end.
The tyranny was never going to end. We had witnessed one extension after another, impositions greater than the last, destruction of lives, businesses, and production. And then a spontaneous eruption of anger and numbers inverted the polls and sent the politicians into disorderly retreat.
Vaccine mandates - gone. Vaccine passports- gone. Mask mandates - gone. School closures - gone. Abolition of sports - gone. Etc.
That's some mighty effective horn. And now the Federal political class has responded with a greater tyranny. The state of the Canadian banking is now precarious. It doesn't take much to start a bank run and, once underway, is impossible to stop. And do expect to see the western separatist movement soar the next while. All because of the discomfort of a few horns.
Enjoy your peace as Canadians begin to realize how unsafe their money is.
How effective was Black Lives Matter at getting their message across? I mean, burning down entire neighborhoods and looting targets must have been chastised by the media and the government, right?
... Oh wait, they were determined to be "mostly peaceful protests" and government officials like Justin Trudeau bent the knee.
That's interesting, isn't it?
We're not playing on a level playing field here, and that simply is unfair and, frankly, dishonest.
Published reports show that US dollars contributed significantly to this absurd 'protest', and Americans were present. The stated aims of the protesters (which started with propaganda from Romania and other foreign actors) was the overthrow if the current Trudeau government. More than 85% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated, and there actions weren't solidarity against unfair working conditions. Even if this started as as a foreign propaganda effort which inflamed frustrations of a small minority of Canadian truckers opposing vaccine mandates, disrupting neighborhoods for weeks, disrupting international commerce, and calling for the overthrow of a government is anarchy.
Very little of the money raised for the convoy got through. Most of it had been raised prior to departure from the resources of those directly involved.
Several US Truckers were involved because they are equally affected by the same restrictions. It's a global economy. But their participation was in response to the assembly of the Freedom Convoy.
The stated purpose of the convoy was the removal of all Federal Covid restrictions and regulations. How would you know otherwise?
If Trudeau's so called Governments limps through intact, it'll be a miracle. His own MPs are deserting him. But the source of the ills may be directly attributed to his own stupid actions. The Premiers woke up from their interminable Covidiocracy, but not Trudeau and his gang.
Janet, I recommend you do some research on that "poll" that you cited regarding popularity of the emergencies act for this purpose. An online poll of people who signed up to be a part of a poll by being in the know.
https://angusreid.org/trudeau-convoy-trucker-protest-vaccine-mandates-covid-19/
Public online poll. Cool story, bro.
BTW imagine thinking that leftists like Justin Trudeau plays absolutely no role whatsoever in egging on "populists". I mean, suggesting that maybe there's a limit on how much we should "tolerate these people" is only a little bit Inflammatory, don't you think? Alas, it doesn't matter, because all problems are apparently because of populists on the right. Leftists can do no wrong, apparently.
Hi Randy, Of course, no poll is perfect. Whether or not you're inclined to believe them, there are many polls at this point showing the unpopularity of the Convoy, of which I chose to link two. Angus Reid uses an online panel, pulling a sample from which is one way to try to correct the problems with, for example, phone polling. I decided to go with Angus Reid because at the beginning of the protest they conducted another survey that found that 54% of Canadians think it's time to "End restrictons and let people self-isolate if they're at risk", https://angusreid.org/omicron-incidence-restrictions/ This at least suggests to me that the Angus Reid Forum is not pursuing a specific narrative about pandemic restrictions.
I can imagine thinking that Justin Trudeau has no role to play in egging on populists but of course he does. His responses to this protest have absolutely inflamed both sides of the divide and reinforced the stalemate in which we find ourselves. HIs invocation of the Emergencies Act would be inexcusable even if it hadn't escalated this conflict further. And of course, though it shouldn't be a partisan issue, many people on the left bear responsibility for denying the costs of pandemic restrictions, as well as failing to see the humanity in the protesters--I suspect both lie behind their swing in support for the Emergencies Act, for which they also deserve blame. It's certainly not all of the left, any more than everyone on the right bears the blame for the protests and the information environment in which they exist.
We may not agree, but I hope this puts to rest your concerns that I hadn't considered these questions.
By the way, if you're the Randy Shank who went to U Windsor, I hope you and your family are as well as can be expected over the past few years and since we last talked. It's been a really difficult time. Take care.
Thank you for your reply. Yes same Randy. We're doing quite well, all things considered.
I agree regarding polling. I personally think it's an incredibly flawed process no matter how your slice it.
As to inflammatory actions by people on both sides of the political spectrum, I want to point out that I know many people who have elected not to get vaccinated for a number of different reasons. One of those reasons that is incredibly common is due to the utter lack of transparency on the entire covid front. When we, as a society, are supposed to trust the mainstream media and the government but instead see the media push only one sort of narrative, it raises some serious questions. Unfortunately, in this highly polarized situation, those questions either aren't allowed to be asked (many doctors and people have been fired from their jobs for not buying into the narrative surrounding vaccines, for example) or, if they do get asked, instead of them being answered, the questioner gets called (insert pejorative here). I fail to see how this is a good method to bring about proper discourse in an allegedly democratic society.
This "pandemic" (if we can even call it that) has revealed some serious rifts in our society, and many people (Justin trudeau and the media establishment particularly) love nothing more than to degrade and exclude a certain segment of society under the guise of "public health". This goes way further back than this trucker protest.
Personally, I think it's incredibly unfair (and possibly dishonest, though I am reluctant to assume intent on your part) to suggest that populism (particularly that on the right) occurs inside a vacuum with no explanation from things going on in the outside world. The reality is that most of these people fall into the same category that I find myself in. I just want to be left alone to do what I believe is good for myself and my family. Unfortunately, the government and the media establishment want to impose draconian rules on people who want nothing to do with it. The more they double down on restrictions and mandates (for example), the more ordinary people who want to be left alone dig in their heels.
So, the entire covid situation has revealed the reality that this country is in trouble, one way or another. The establishment eggs on the populists, then the populists egg on the establishment, ad infinitum. Over the last six months, I've wanted nothing more than to leave this country because it's terrible. Unfortunately, the way this country and its neighbors have gone, I'm no longer allowed to do that.
What a wonderful country Canada has become....
One never trusts polls. Most are not designed to elicit truth. They are designed to elicit a certain response for political or advertising purposes. Where the poll was conducted and its population shall also give a hint as to the outcome. Ottawa has expanded greatly because of this sordid and despotic Covid nightmare, and we have had enough. But not the bureaucrats, especially the public health officials. More control and more misery never contents their insatiable thirst for power and domination.
Just as we are about to discover the truth behind Hillary and the Trump - Russia hoax after 5 years, so we shall find by thorough investigation the truth behind the Covid fraud and all the destruction rained down on the hard working people of this country and their children.
A little resistance and the premiers immediately abandon their rigid and merciless Covid edicts. The people have a good sense when they are confronting a fiction. It may take some time, but we shall know what really went on. It's already starting in the US, and that information shall be very helpful in exposing our public health dictatorship, as well as the rotten courts, cops, jurists, and other institutions that ignored the assault on our basic human rights .
Trudeau is watching his dream of turning Canada into the dictatorship his father and stepfather so wanted dissipate and quickly. He is prepared to destroy the country to obtain his aim. Well, I expect his weak government to fall very soon. They'll let him do the dirty deeds of quelling dissent in Ottawa and then put him out the back door.
I am going to comment again because my criticism last time seems to have fallen on deaf ears (nothing new under the sun).
The problem with your article lies in one paragraph made here. And this is not to mention the amount of lies and "misleading" in the article itself. I can address those issues another time. But here it goes
"This is all terrifying, especially because the crackdown is so popular. There are scenarios when extreme protest tactics might be justified — for example, when a state perpetrates or tolerates human rights abuses. The problem is that many Convoy occupiers really believe that human rights abuses are taking place in the form of a treasonous government experimenting with unsafe vaccinations and other similarly odious measures. This is simply not true."
Two years of restrictions were not " human rights abuses"? I think I may need a lesson in what human rights are. Is it not a human right to have Christmas dinner with your extended family? Is it not a human right to be able to have your kids play on playgrounds with other kids? Is it not a human right to protest against corrupt government? Do I need to remind you that there were protests every weekend during the "2 weeks to flatten the curve" that turned into two years of shopping for drapes at Walmart with a diaper on your face? Do I need to remind you that any protests against restrictions were banned when protests for BLM were promoted since "racism is a worse pandemic than covid"? Or how about the most egregious of all... Not being permitted to attend church and pastors being arrested for holding church services? Is religious liberty a right or not? I think I need to be enlightened here. Are these not human rights? Do we even have human rights?
What was the last two years then?
Give me a break Janet. You're not seeing the forest for the trees.
Well, there are benefits to being a capital city and there are several disadvantages. Ottawa has known nothing but generous benefits for decades, the seized wealth of Canadians lavished on its residents.
Along comes one of the disadvantages, a group of people grievously harmed by the incessant Covid demands and restrictions on their ability to earn a living. Too bad they aren't public workers or politicians that haven't endured any loss of income and actually enjoyed bigger paycheques.
2 years of Covid tyranny that a vocal group finally smashed a truck through and brought to a swift end.
The tyranny was never going to end. We had witnessed one extension after another, impositions greater than the last, destruction of lives, businesses, and production. And then a spontaneous eruption of anger and numbers inverted the polls and sent the politicians into disorderly retreat.
Vaccine mandates - gone. Vaccine passports- gone. Mask mandates - gone. School closures - gone. Abolition of sports - gone. Etc.
That's some mighty effective horn. And now the Federal political class has responded with a greater tyranny. The state of the Canadian banking is now precarious. It doesn't take much to start a bank run and, once underway, is impossible to stop. And do expect to see the western separatist movement soar the next while. All because of the discomfort of a few horns.
Enjoy your peace as Canadians begin to realize how unsafe their money is.
How effective was Black Lives Matter at getting their message across? I mean, burning down entire neighborhoods and looting targets must have been chastised by the media and the government, right?
... Oh wait, they were determined to be "mostly peaceful protests" and government officials like Justin Trudeau bent the knee.
That's interesting, isn't it?
We're not playing on a level playing field here, and that simply is unfair and, frankly, dishonest.
The US is exporting anarchy...
That response was all home grown, and it certainly wasn't anarchy.
Published reports show that US dollars contributed significantly to this absurd 'protest', and Americans were present. The stated aims of the protesters (which started with propaganda from Romania and other foreign actors) was the overthrow if the current Trudeau government. More than 85% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated, and there actions weren't solidarity against unfair working conditions. Even if this started as as a foreign propaganda effort which inflamed frustrations of a small minority of Canadian truckers opposing vaccine mandates, disrupting neighborhoods for weeks, disrupting international commerce, and calling for the overthrow of a government is anarchy.
Very little of the money raised for the convoy got through. Most of it had been raised prior to departure from the resources of those directly involved.
Several US Truckers were involved because they are equally affected by the same restrictions. It's a global economy. But their participation was in response to the assembly of the Freedom Convoy.
The stated purpose of the convoy was the removal of all Federal Covid restrictions and regulations. How would you know otherwise?
If Trudeau's so called Governments limps through intact, it'll be a miracle. His own MPs are deserting him. But the source of the ills may be directly attributed to his own stupid actions. The Premiers woke up from their interminable Covidiocracy, but not Trudeau and his gang.
You are just trolling, reciting endless fact-free propaganda. Bye...
Hasty retreat as our premiers have learned is sometimes the best option.