I'm writing twice because like Mueller I have 47 items. First Adam Serwer has pinpointed the root of this several times: a liberal democracy founded on slave labor, culture of racial stratification and a color caste system plus conservative in the way SCOTUS preserves this regime of racial injustice. It's not so much that people forget it happened or the way it happened, it's that they did not experience it first hand, which I did as a White person marrying into a Black family in the 60s. You have to live here, work there, shop over there..... all that was a shock to me and I won't forget but even now I get the "I didn't know that that happened," but they were present but not in it.
Disappointment in the failure of business to stand up, and in many cases the law itself.
Frantz asked 2 questions that were actually great questions: our we missing something in our assessments and what insights can we pick up on from other countries. Also, the two audience questions were very good: creating the mechanisms and reckoning with media.
Everything is happening all the time everywhere all at once i.e. flood the zone with shit- familiar?
The New Right has built in tension between the idealogues and MAGAs. Maybe not an explosion but a collapse is coming, more a drifting away rather than a fight, the former to read a book and the latter to start a fight. The former is addressed by Serwer when he says SCOTUS has a long-term view of what those people want the country to look like. Yassa, Col. Culpepper!
Serwer again strikes the note: accountability. If "these people" are not held accountable they will try again because they are true believers; they truly believe in an essentialist hierarchy of humans. Serwer's "don't think the party should have to be accountable to" captures it, the caste system. The business people, the capitalists, the Chamber of Congress could withdraw support but we've seen this before elsewhere. FDR and TR cleaved (clove?) the iron grip to save America for free enterprise. To cap this: I sat chatting with an old man (the age I am now) who had been a frogman in WWII. Lean, bronzed, shock of white hair, Mr. Republican, I thought. At one moment he changed the topic by rearing back in his chair and saying, "I don't know what your politics are..." and I thought, uh oh, Mr. Republican, but he went on: "If it hadn't been for Roosevelt this country would've gone Communist!" Wow. He knew because he had experienced it.
"10 years ago, when everybody said, “Oh, filter bubbles, echo chambers,” and so on. And now we know a little bit more about what actually happens. We have understood that, actually, no, that wasn’t really the problem. And in fact we were all, in a certain way, in an echo chamber about echo chambers, because we all told ourselves the story that this explained the catastrophes of 2016, Brexit, Trump, et cetera"
I have researched this phenomenon extensively for an article.
1. If we were in a certain way in an echo chamber of our own, I think that is Q.E.D.
2. When people started talking about it 10 years ago, it wasn't because it was a fad but because of whistleblowers such as Christopher Wylie, Brittany Kaiser, Frances Haugen; and the Cambridge Analytica expose by Carole Cadwalladr (@carolecadwalla). Cambridge Analytica was founded by Steve Bannon. So I wouldn't say that it was a one-trick pony that cannot explain a lot. I could go on and on about this, but it would turn into the article that I wrote after researching it deeply, just when Trump was elected for the second time. My assignment was to write on fake news; it quickly became apparent that everything that happened on social media that falls under the department of fake news in the past decade is deeply connected to the political machine.
3. The consensus among media and sociology researchers is that understanding the new manipulative options that socials platforms offer is still vital for understanding politics.
I'm at 10 minutes in and am interested only in the brilliant fine points I'm sure I'll hear because Adam Serwer just went to the heart, what has always poisoned our country and continuse to do so totally openly now (anyone for firing a decorated general officer of our military for being Black?). It's slavery versus the rest and it's always been at the heart of our divisions; these divisions are nothing new. After seeing for 85 years now all those magazine and journal covers emblazoned The New South, the truth of my rejection of the notion has been revealed in the way it has been revealed to Serwer, not through divine guidance but through looking at how people behave. Ye shall know them by their fruits and when someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time. These folks have never changed because the rest of the country humored them, doing business with them, soliciting their votes, making fun of them (My Cousin Vinnie), and only having to take them seriously if you are Black (or married into a Black family in the 60s). This has driven me crazy for decades because people have a hard time understanding the mind set of the White South, just as people trying to expalin Trump as anything other than a raging personality disorder (see Mary Trump). That's all there is to Trump just as the color line is all there is to the South, New and Old.
I'm writing twice because like Mueller I have 47 items. First Adam Serwer has pinpointed the root of this several times: a liberal democracy founded on slave labor, culture of racial stratification and a color caste system plus conservative in the way SCOTUS preserves this regime of racial injustice. It's not so much that people forget it happened or the way it happened, it's that they did not experience it first hand, which I did as a White person marrying into a Black family in the 60s. You have to live here, work there, shop over there..... all that was a shock to me and I won't forget but even now I get the "I didn't know that that happened," but they were present but not in it.
Disappointment in the failure of business to stand up, and in many cases the law itself.
Frantz asked 2 questions that were actually great questions: our we missing something in our assessments and what insights can we pick up on from other countries. Also, the two audience questions were very good: creating the mechanisms and reckoning with media.
Everything is happening all the time everywhere all at once i.e. flood the zone with shit- familiar?
The New Right has built in tension between the idealogues and MAGAs. Maybe not an explosion but a collapse is coming, more a drifting away rather than a fight, the former to read a book and the latter to start a fight. The former is addressed by Serwer when he says SCOTUS has a long-term view of what those people want the country to look like. Yassa, Col. Culpepper!
Serwer again strikes the note: accountability. If "these people" are not held accountable they will try again because they are true believers; they truly believe in an essentialist hierarchy of humans. Serwer's "don't think the party should have to be accountable to" captures it, the caste system. The business people, the capitalists, the Chamber of Congress could withdraw support but we've seen this before elsewhere. FDR and TR cleaved (clove?) the iron grip to save America for free enterprise. To cap this: I sat chatting with an old man (the age I am now) who had been a frogman in WWII. Lean, bronzed, shock of white hair, Mr. Republican, I thought. At one moment he changed the topic by rearing back in his chair and saying, "I don't know what your politics are..." and I thought, uh oh, Mr. Republican, but he went on: "If it hadn't been for Roosevelt this country would've gone Communist!" Wow. He knew because he had experienced it.
"10 years ago, when everybody said, “Oh, filter bubbles, echo chambers,” and so on. And now we know a little bit more about what actually happens. We have understood that, actually, no, that wasn’t really the problem. And in fact we were all, in a certain way, in an echo chamber about echo chambers, because we all told ourselves the story that this explained the catastrophes of 2016, Brexit, Trump, et cetera"
I have researched this phenomenon extensively for an article.
1. If we were in a certain way in an echo chamber of our own, I think that is Q.E.D.
2. When people started talking about it 10 years ago, it wasn't because it was a fad but because of whistleblowers such as Christopher Wylie, Brittany Kaiser, Frances Haugen; and the Cambridge Analytica expose by Carole Cadwalladr (@carolecadwalla). Cambridge Analytica was founded by Steve Bannon. So I wouldn't say that it was a one-trick pony that cannot explain a lot. I could go on and on about this, but it would turn into the article that I wrote after researching it deeply, just when Trump was elected for the second time. My assignment was to write on fake news; it quickly became apparent that everything that happened on social media that falls under the department of fake news in the past decade is deeply connected to the political machine.
3. The consensus among media and sociology researchers is that understanding the new manipulative options that socials platforms offer is still vital for understanding politics.
I'm at 10 minutes in and am interested only in the brilliant fine points I'm sure I'll hear because Adam Serwer just went to the heart, what has always poisoned our country and continuse to do so totally openly now (anyone for firing a decorated general officer of our military for being Black?). It's slavery versus the rest and it's always been at the heart of our divisions; these divisions are nothing new. After seeing for 85 years now all those magazine and journal covers emblazoned The New South, the truth of my rejection of the notion has been revealed in the way it has been revealed to Serwer, not through divine guidance but through looking at how people behave. Ye shall know them by their fruits and when someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time. These folks have never changed because the rest of the country humored them, doing business with them, soliciting their votes, making fun of them (My Cousin Vinnie), and only having to take them seriously if you are Black (or married into a Black family in the 60s). This has driven me crazy for decades because people have a hard time understanding the mind set of the White South, just as people trying to expalin Trump as anything other than a raging personality disorder (see Mary Trump). That's all there is to Trump just as the color line is all there is to the South, New and Old.