“putting the country on the path to “serfdom”. I think using illegals as cheap and exploited labor is a form serfdom. This is an interesting word for illegals (except those victims of sex trafficking). Serfs were considered a form of debt bondage or indentured servitude,they had significant restrictions on their freedom but they were not property and could not be bought or sold individually like slaves. Employers don’t have to worry about employment laws and they can’t go anywhere else without risking being caught so they are bound to the land.
“The reason is that when laws deem acts that have actual victims as “crimes,” they are for the most part self-enforcing.” So, the exploitation and abuse of people is not a crime? I guess you can assuage your guilt by the fact that they’re not legal anyway so they’re not subject to the laws…when it suits you.
“For every immigrant, there are a whole host of Americans who benefit from his/her presence.” Indeed they do—financially. As AOC said you are going to have to pay a lot more for your gardener. Which is true if you have to obey the law.
“in order to enforce this rule of law, authorities can’t rely on voluntary compliance.” Voluntary compliance proves that these fine Americans are disobeying the law for financial gain and using it to control their fiefdoms. “Except what we give you or face deportation.”
“They have to resort to an ever-escalating, disproportionate, and therefore lawless use of force against Americans themselves.” Excellent use of hyperbole for scaremongering. “People disappearing” What about all the unaccompanied minors that disappeared?
“When a country embraces immigration policies and they are in harmony with the natural flow,” I note you say “immigration policy” but not law. Obey the laws and you reduce the force.
Whose fault would it be if we have had to escalate force in your dystopian world? Must be those fine Americans who embrace (at a distance) their serfs. Martha’s Vineyard was filled with love for their new arrivals…as they were sent away.
“have to go after only a minuscule number of violators”. Again, whose fault is it that we don’t have a “minuscule number of violators”?
“victimless crimes that are crimes only because the government decides to treat them as such.” You said, “victimless crimes”. I think you would find that a hard argument to make. Oh, wait, you mean if you life in a gated community or have private security.
“only because the government decides to treat them as such.” The government doesn’t decide, the law does.
“immigrants wouldn’t come because they couldn’t survive. They wouldn’t be able to get jobs…” They will always be jobs for those who can be exploited. They will survive because they also have a safety net of public assistance.
“Recall Arizona’s SB 1070—the notorious “your paper’s please” law…” This law wouldn’t have been necessary if the current law had been obeyed.
I grow weary of this kind of mindless rhetoric but keep it up and we will never again have a two part system.
The point about the free market ignores the fact that medical facilities are forced to treat illegal immigrants regardless of their ability to pay for services rendered, and those costs get passed on to other patients & taxpayers. There are various other subsidies provided by state and local governments. I agree entirely that the immigration enforcement apparatus is oppressive, but there would be less need for it with less of the problematic migration that would not exist under true laissez-faire.
Actually - he doesn't "need a police state that respects the rights of no one" to be deporting tens of thousands of people legally every month. Like half a million or more in the first six months, they can find easily, send them the paperwork. No drama.
All of this dark, unlawful stuff is to push the limits, to enable the authoritarian, kleptocratic police state that they want. They could be deporting shitloads more people legitimately - not to prison unjustly. Instead it's displays of power and defiance - jerking around the courts, the media, everyone.
The question is who should be paying the price for Bidens failure of his Constitutional duty's to protect our borders? Those for whom Biden and his followers opened the door to 12,000,000 immigrants? Or those who are here and must pay the price of harboring those immigrants? Bidens crimes can never be undone. Those who supported his insane border policies should be taken out and flogged. Those who entered under false pretenses or have violated our laws cannot be allowed to remain.
Have you since turned yourself in for violating the posted speed limits, and paid the fines due for your wilful violations of the laws duly enacted by representatives elected by the citizenry to protect the safety of road users?
Thanks for the reminder of all the great work Sheriff Arpaio did decade ago, it is a model for the current administration to use. We need that type of action here around the DC area. It is unbelievable the number of rundown apartment complexes and Arlington Partnership for Affordable Housing (APAH) public housing projects are over run with illegal aliens. However we first must control our boarders, and then we hope the administration will focus on rounding up all the illegals in the rest of our country. Again thanks for the reminder of what what works.
“putting the country on the path to “serfdom”. I think using illegals as cheap and exploited labor is a form serfdom. This is an interesting word for illegals (except those victims of sex trafficking). Serfs were considered a form of debt bondage or indentured servitude,they had significant restrictions on their freedom but they were not property and could not be bought or sold individually like slaves. Employers don’t have to worry about employment laws and they can’t go anywhere else without risking being caught so they are bound to the land.
“The reason is that when laws deem acts that have actual victims as “crimes,” they are for the most part self-enforcing.” So, the exploitation and abuse of people is not a crime? I guess you can assuage your guilt by the fact that they’re not legal anyway so they’re not subject to the laws…when it suits you.
“For every immigrant, there are a whole host of Americans who benefit from his/her presence.” Indeed they do—financially. As AOC said you are going to have to pay a lot more for your gardener. Which is true if you have to obey the law.
“in order to enforce this rule of law, authorities can’t rely on voluntary compliance.” Voluntary compliance proves that these fine Americans are disobeying the law for financial gain and using it to control their fiefdoms. “Except what we give you or face deportation.”
“They have to resort to an ever-escalating, disproportionate, and therefore lawless use of force against Americans themselves.” Excellent use of hyperbole for scaremongering. “People disappearing” What about all the unaccompanied minors that disappeared?
“When a country embraces immigration policies and they are in harmony with the natural flow,” I note you say “immigration policy” but not law. Obey the laws and you reduce the force.
Whose fault would it be if we have had to escalate force in your dystopian world? Must be those fine Americans who embrace (at a distance) their serfs. Martha’s Vineyard was filled with love for their new arrivals…as they were sent away.
“have to go after only a minuscule number of violators”. Again, whose fault is it that we don’t have a “minuscule number of violators”?
“victimless crimes that are crimes only because the government decides to treat them as such.” You said, “victimless crimes”. I think you would find that a hard argument to make. Oh, wait, you mean if you life in a gated community or have private security.
“only because the government decides to treat them as such.” The government doesn’t decide, the law does.
“immigrants wouldn’t come because they couldn’t survive. They wouldn’t be able to get jobs…” They will always be jobs for those who can be exploited. They will survive because they also have a safety net of public assistance.
“Recall Arizona’s SB 1070—the notorious “your paper’s please” law…” This law wouldn’t have been necessary if the current law had been obeyed.
I grow weary of this kind of mindless rhetoric but keep it up and we will never again have a two part system.
The point about the free market ignores the fact that medical facilities are forced to treat illegal immigrants regardless of their ability to pay for services rendered, and those costs get passed on to other patients & taxpayers. There are various other subsidies provided by state and local governments. I agree entirely that the immigration enforcement apparatus is oppressive, but there would be less need for it with less of the problematic migration that would not exist under true laissez-faire.
Actually - he doesn't "need a police state that respects the rights of no one" to be deporting tens of thousands of people legally every month. Like half a million or more in the first six months, they can find easily, send them the paperwork. No drama.
All of this dark, unlawful stuff is to push the limits, to enable the authoritarian, kleptocratic police state that they want. They could be deporting shitloads more people legitimately - not to prison unjustly. Instead it's displays of power and defiance - jerking around the courts, the media, everyone.
The question is who should be paying the price for Bidens failure of his Constitutional duty's to protect our borders? Those for whom Biden and his followers opened the door to 12,000,000 immigrants? Or those who are here and must pay the price of harboring those immigrants? Bidens crimes can never be undone. Those who supported his insane border policies should be taken out and flogged. Those who entered under false pretenses or have violated our laws cannot be allowed to remain.
Have you ever driven a car faster than the posted speed limit?
Yes, but not without a legal drivers license.
Have you since turned yourself in for violating the posted speed limits, and paid the fines due for your wilful violations of the laws duly enacted by representatives elected by the citizenry to protect the safety of road users?
And neither have I turned in the illegals aliens living near here. Those who subverted their duty are the villains, those who entered the door
Thanks for the reminder of all the great work Sheriff Arpaio did decade ago, it is a model for the current administration to use. We need that type of action here around the DC area. It is unbelievable the number of rundown apartment complexes and Arlington Partnership for Affordable Housing (APAH) public housing projects are over run with illegal aliens. However we first must control our boarders, and then we hope the administration will focus on rounding up all the illegals in the rest of our country. Again thanks for the reminder of what what works.
If by "overrun" you mean "inhabited," then I guess I concede your point. If by "overrun" you mean "infested, as by vermin," then go to hell.
Inhibited…
You can't even spell.
Arpaio conducted himself like a lawless lowlife. If your politics incline you to think he did "great work," you are lost.
another excellent piece - thank you Shikha!
The entire United States is and has been for years a Constitution-free zone. The government pitched the Constitution out of the window around 1980.
what happened in 1980?
Ronald Reagan became president in 1980.