Trump has done this, so we as Americans bear some guilt for it - even if we personally abhor the action and the man. We must suffer the loss to national reputation for bringing Trump to power under our Constitution.
Also fundamental basic natural justice. Innocents who are known to be innocent ought not to be punished. Period. It is state terror. The arbitrary use of cruelty is the point. No one is exempt from possible punishment.
The USA was founded on human rights... many of which are articulated within our very Constitution, which we call the "Bill of Rights". Every single time we allow we transgress one of them, we weaken the very thing that makes this counry what it is.
We've all taken our Constitutional norms and rule of law for granted for quite some time now (ever since the WWII/Great Depression survivors all died off) and now it's our turn to shake off the normalcy bias and fight for small-d democracy the same way our ancestors had to. I'm not looking forward to the fight but I'm not going to shirk from my responsibilities.
Giving masked thugs the complete right to send innocents to brutal torture facilities in El Salvador, to otherwise disappear people here ought to prove what needs to said, though massively hard to swallow. All Americans still using phrases like "the coup may become a reality if someone/something is not done". Things like "Fascists may take over . . . " These people cannot face reality. They give misguided comfort to others and assuage fear by misleading them by supplying denial rhetoric. Trump's and Vance's staged interview with the sinister psychopath dictator of El Salvador, validating stone cold fascist reality, speaking with sick schadenfreude smiles, should end all doubt. These people, full of fear and creating a denial state, should be seriously confronted or submissively ignored, adding to all others in proximity that they are a large part of the problem with their delusional self trancing.
Somehow I can't help but think that Trump is deliberately provoking this crisis to set a precedent.
He backed down from some of tariffs because he responded to the business community. He carved out tariffs on Chinese electronics at the behest of American tech bros. He is going soft on immigrant deportations because of the unreality of the effort and because business sectors need the immigrant workers and their "legality" is actually not their concern.
Trump responds to negotiations that make him look like a winner.
BUT folding to the judiciary is not negotiable and therefore only means he looks like a loser. Resisting lower courts has forced the issue up to the SCOTUS and now he desperately must find ways to evade. Today he hides behind some exalted notion that the executive can not be told by the courts how to conduct foreign affairs. He finds a fig leaf based on some sacred notion of El Salvador's sacred national sovereignty that he dare not tell another nation what to do---which given his history of relationships with other governments is surreal on its face. We all know that if he picked up the phone he would be home tonight.
For individuals who are supporting and voting for far-right populist politics, the state/government is often interpreted as an institution for satisfying one's primitive and tribalistic impulses and feelings regarding persons and groups one dislikes and hates.
The opposition to the rule of law is about feelings that injustice, mistreatment, and brutality are ok as long as it is used against those one considers less valuable and inferior.
This person, is brought to the White House, as a guest. The list of atrocities goes on for blocks ….. You know GOP the day will come when you will be forced to impeach this criminal, but your reputation will never be clean again
Many Presidents including Eisenhower, Clinton, and Obama have each deported hundreds of thousands who entered the US illegally. Biden created a huge problem by letting millions enter the US illegally and stay here. The people of the US voted for a President who had pledged to enforce the immigration laws and to deport those here illegally.
We're seeing again what happened after 1/6. People prefer not to live in a country where this is happening, so they decide it isn't, or find ways to comfort themselves with false equivalencies. Biden tried a second time to forgive student debt, they say, so just more of the same, nothing to see here as we black-bag people off the streets to torture facilities abroad.
“Shipping Innocents” ?? What a blatant misrepresentation! Closer to the truth is that illegal aliens with no right to be in the US and who were judicially found to be members of terrorist gangs and who were tattooed boldly with gang insignia were deported back to their own countries. That is perfectly legal as the Supreme Court ruled barring administrative error. In that case, the Government has to try to effectuate the return of the individual so they can be properly deported. However once that individual is back in their home country, the US has no jurisdiction to compel he be returned. Get it? Miller was spot on.
Because name calling is so useful, right? He actually has a point, and the fact that you don’t like it—and I don’t happen to agree with all of it myself—doesn’t mean this isn’t the place to share it. What, only people who agree with the Unpopulist and its various authors can post here without being called “fascist”? I’m a paid subscriber, and I don’t agree with everything posted here; I’m pretty sure I’m free to say so.
Must be nice to be omniscient, even when you miss the point. Other intelligent people can disagree with you. Whether he does or doesn’t have a point though, and you’re obviously entitled to express your opinion, he has every right to express his POV (which is what my comment was about).
Ah, so now you resort to profanity and insult. I’m pretty sure I’m not the child here; Teddy Roosevelt was right. Anyway, you have yet to offer anything other than personal invective and unsubstantiated opinion in response to Mr. Mars’ comment.
You're free to say so, but I think the problem in your case is that you have an AI sentient enough to play tricks on you, and you typed in "Please translate 'Völkischer Beobachter' into English," and it erroneously spat out "The UnPopulist." Huh.
As Greg has noted, your comments are name calling without even a pretense of making a logical counterpoint. You haven’t attempted to address even my first point. Let’s see how you answer this:
Do you really view the deported gang members as Innocents?
Wrong again. He has denied gang membership, but a judge detained him in 2017 because he was in MS-13. This was based on testimony of a credible informant. He had the due process he was entitled to, which for deportation, is fairly minimal. No one denies he is an illegal alien and can be sent back to his own country on that alone.
Try to respond without the immature name-calling. It doesn’t help your argument.
He was deported to his own country. He had no right to be in ours. He was put in a prison in his country. You seem to be incapable of making a logical argument and in frustration resort to cheap insults. It appears you don’t have the mental capacity to frame intelligent arguments. You are blind to moral vacuity of your position. You have a lot of sympathy for violent gang members: you think of them as innocent. But you have no sympathy for their truly innocent victims.
Lincoln suspended habeas corpus a couple of times during the Civil War, ultimately gaining the Supreme Court's agreement.
Now, Trump wouldn't know this, but someone else in his admin might. It seems that it's not a giant step from the use of the Alien Enemies Act, previously used during wartime, to
suspending habeous corpus, which Trump has de facto done.
Trump has done this, so we as Americans bear some guilt for it - even if we personally abhor the action and the man. We must suffer the loss to national reputation for bringing Trump to power under our Constitution.
Also fundamental basic natural justice. Innocents who are known to be innocent ought not to be punished. Period. It is state terror. The arbitrary use of cruelty is the point. No one is exempt from possible punishment.
The USA was founded on human rights... many of which are articulated within our very Constitution, which we call the "Bill of Rights". Every single time we allow we transgress one of them, we weaken the very thing that makes this counry what it is.
We've all taken our Constitutional norms and rule of law for granted for quite some time now (ever since the WWII/Great Depression survivors all died off) and now it's our turn to shake off the normalcy bias and fight for small-d democracy the same way our ancestors had to. I'm not looking forward to the fight but I'm not going to shirk from my responsibilities.
Giving masked thugs the complete right to send innocents to brutal torture facilities in El Salvador, to otherwise disappear people here ought to prove what needs to said, though massively hard to swallow. All Americans still using phrases like "the coup may become a reality if someone/something is not done". Things like "Fascists may take over . . . " These people cannot face reality. They give misguided comfort to others and assuage fear by misleading them by supplying denial rhetoric. Trump's and Vance's staged interview with the sinister psychopath dictator of El Salvador, validating stone cold fascist reality, speaking with sick schadenfreude smiles, should end all doubt. These people, full of fear and creating a denial state, should be seriously confronted or submissively ignored, adding to all others in proximity that they are a large part of the problem with their delusional self trancing.
Somehow I can't help but think that Trump is deliberately provoking this crisis to set a precedent.
He backed down from some of tariffs because he responded to the business community. He carved out tariffs on Chinese electronics at the behest of American tech bros. He is going soft on immigrant deportations because of the unreality of the effort and because business sectors need the immigrant workers and their "legality" is actually not their concern.
Trump responds to negotiations that make him look like a winner.
BUT folding to the judiciary is not negotiable and therefore only means he looks like a loser. Resisting lower courts has forced the issue up to the SCOTUS and now he desperately must find ways to evade. Today he hides behind some exalted notion that the executive can not be told by the courts how to conduct foreign affairs. He finds a fig leaf based on some sacred notion of El Salvador's sacred national sovereignty that he dare not tell another nation what to do---which given his history of relationships with other governments is surreal on its face. We all know that if he picked up the phone he would be home tonight.
For individuals who are supporting and voting for far-right populist politics, the state/government is often interpreted as an institution for satisfying one's primitive and tribalistic impulses and feelings regarding persons and groups one dislikes and hates.
The opposition to the rule of law is about feelings that injustice, mistreatment, and brutality are ok as long as it is used against those one considers less valuable and inferior.
This person, is brought to the White House, as a guest. The list of atrocities goes on for blocks ….. You know GOP the day will come when you will be forced to impeach this criminal, but your reputation will never be clean again
Many Presidents including Eisenhower, Clinton, and Obama have each deported hundreds of thousands who entered the US illegally. Biden created a huge problem by letting millions enter the US illegally and stay here. The people of the US voted for a President who had pledged to enforce the immigration laws and to deport those here illegally.
We're seeing again what happened after 1/6. People prefer not to live in a country where this is happening, so they decide it isn't, or find ways to comfort themselves with false equivalencies. Biden tried a second time to forgive student debt, they say, so just more of the same, nothing to see here as we black-bag people off the streets to torture facilities abroad.
“Shipping Innocents” ?? What a blatant misrepresentation! Closer to the truth is that illegal aliens with no right to be in the US and who were judicially found to be members of terrorist gangs and who were tattooed boldly with gang insignia were deported back to their own countries. That is perfectly legal as the Supreme Court ruled barring administrative error. In that case, the Government has to try to effectuate the return of the individual so they can be properly deported. However once that individual is back in their home country, the US has no jurisdiction to compel he be returned. Get it? Miller was spot on.
Have you even read the article? And also, why should humans be categorised as illegal?
Weird that someone with fascist sympathies like yourself is even commenting here.
Because name calling is so useful, right? He actually has a point, and the fact that you don’t like it—and I don’t happen to agree with all of it myself—doesn’t mean this isn’t the place to share it. What, only people who agree with the Unpopulist and its various authors can post here without being called “fascist”? I’m a paid subscriber, and I don’t agree with everything posted here; I’m pretty sure I’m free to say so.
Anyone is welcome in our comments section, so long as they abide by our comments policy.
But, we don't have a paid subscriber tier.
He doesn't have a point. He's completely wrong. Period.
Must be nice to be omniscient, even when you miss the point. Other intelligent people can disagree with you. Whether he does or doesn’t have a point though, and you’re obviously entitled to express your opinion, he has every right to express his POV (which is what my comment was about).
Ah, so now you resort to profanity and insult. I’m pretty sure I’m not the child here; Teddy Roosevelt was right. Anyway, you have yet to offer anything other than personal invective and unsubstantiated opinion in response to Mr. Mars’ comment.
You're free to say so, but I think the problem in your case is that you have an AI sentient enough to play tricks on you, and you typed in "Please translate 'Völkischer Beobachter' into English," and it erroneously spat out "The UnPopulist." Huh.
As Greg has noted, your comments are name calling without even a pretense of making a logical counterpoint. You haven’t attempted to address even my first point. Let’s see how you answer this:
Do you really view the deported gang members as Innocents?
(1) Garcia wasn't a gang member. (2) You can't know who's a gang member without at least a modicum of due process.
It's not name calling; you're a fascist, and probably too stupid to understand these simple points.
Wrong again. He has denied gang membership, but a judge detained him in 2017 because he was in MS-13. This was based on testimony of a credible informant. He had the due process he was entitled to, which for deportation, is fairly minimal. No one denies he is an illegal alien and can be sent back to his own country on that alone.
Try to respond without the immature name-calling. It doesn’t help your argument.
what kind of sources are you reading?
LMAO. Hearsay from a dirty couple is "credible"?'
And he wasn't "deported". He was sent to a concentration camp by one fascist, Trump, in collaboration with another fascist, Bukele.
Not only are you a fascist, you're stupid.
He was deported to his own country. He had no right to be in ours. He was put in a prison in his country. You seem to be incapable of making a logical argument and in frustration resort to cheap insults. It appears you don’t have the mental capacity to frame intelligent arguments. You are blind to moral vacuity of your position. You have a lot of sympathy for violent gang members: you think of them as innocent. But you have no sympathy for their truly innocent victims.
Lincoln suspended habeas corpus a couple of times during the Civil War, ultimately gaining the Supreme Court's agreement.
Now, Trump wouldn't know this, but someone else in his admin might. It seems that it's not a giant step from the use of the Alien Enemies Act, previously used during wartime, to
suspending habeous corpus, which Trump has de facto done.