I have really tried not to let those two vile creatures get to me but this deliberate demonizing of people who were invited to come to this town in a state that vance is supposed to be a representative of as a senator is lit my last nerve on fire. trump and vance are toxic waste stirring up even more toxic waste. We need a Superfund Election to clean all of it up and remediate the damage.
Disgusting, despicable, disturbing, and dangerous- Trump and Vance and their dog and cat story. We watched Trump and Vance accuse Haitians of being savages, demonizing them and calling them pet eaters. This stems ONLY from a place of racism.
Spreading false info, vicious lies towards a specific ethnic group is blatant racism. And even boasting about it.
When you’ve personally been a victim of this , you’d never ever support any one who belittles your race.
How about wearing this "Keep the immigrants, deport the racists" T in front of racists 👇
I have spent my life studying Russia and also Europe in WWII. Trump follows the Nazi playbook to the letter (with the exception that Hitler actually served in the army in WWI).
He tries to dehumanize various groups of people and blame the country’s problems on them. He uses loud, angry rallies. The scale of the rallies and everything else matters to him. He had his brown shirts—violent ruffians he would eventually cast off for the most part in favor (in Hitler’s case) of trained military people. But these too will be removed during the Night of the Ling Knives when they were all butchered in their beds. The next step is to fake your way into a position of political power with a base that supports you absolutely-/talking about Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, Tom Cotton, etc. I presume they too would be tossed aside for more malevolent people like Stephen Miller. The rationale for everything will always be pollution of the pure blood, and/or the need to redistribute property for the good of the real citizens of the Fatherland. Hitler went after the “vermin” of Eastern Europe because he wanted the German people to have Lebensraum—living space, and the Slavs had that. I suspect Hitler really believed these paranoid fantasies. Trump just uses whatever presents itself.
The Trump/Vance attack on Springfield is reminiscent of Kristal Nacht—the night when Jewish owned shops, etc. were trashed by Hitler’s mob. The Jews were an excellent target for latent anger the Germans had about losing WWI and being forced to pay huge reparations they could ill afford. Hyper-inflation meant most people were feeling the pain of not having enough money to get by on. The Jews who had typically been forced by the Catholics to take on positions as money managers had done better on average, so jealousy lit the fuse for terror. Things escalated from there. We see precisely this sort of scenario playing out in Ohio. Note that the problem is not Haitians supposedly eating cats and dogs, it is that they are taking property—people’s pets, and that makes all the difference.
Once again the power of the antisocial media is unleashed upon the world. Without the antisocial media there would be no armed white men stalking the streets of a town in which they don't live. Without the antisocial media individual hate crimes against Haitians would be almost nil. Without antisocial media Trump's and Vance's statements would have been a blip come and gone with the debate.
I find it interesting that he also mentioned all the terrible things happening in Aurora, Colorado, and no similar investigations "on the ground" have been launched by the mainstream media, in pursuit of a story that is generated and perpetuated by influencers on the antisocial media.
Trump's mass deportation promise is exactly like his beautiful wall that will stretch from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean paid for by Mexico. Mass deportations is rhetorical and aspirational. Even the idea that he could organize and carry out mass deportations is absurd.
I doubt that he has an obsession with creating a white ethno-state or even want's one any more than he has an obsession with having a Christian nationalist dictatorship. What he wants is for white supremacists and Christian nationalists to think he wants them.
The danger is not Trump but the apparatus of government that could come with him. He is the electoral Trojan Horse that will bring a circle of evil players with him and who will organize the insanity to come.
Seriously we need not to focus on the superficial promises of Trump and Vance but on the people who have and made them possible. At bottom Trump just wants to be recognized as an important and unforgettable person. "No one in the world has ever seen anything like it..." he often says. Well, he has already achieved that status. He is so venal he will only seriously fulfill promises that will make him look good and/or that are personally profitable to him. These are the things that make him personally dangerous to us and the Republic. Not his dramatic promises of mass deportations and the "possibility" of ethnic cleansing are not a real threat because they are absurd.
If Trump could find a way of making human trafficking of illegal immigrants a revenue stream for The Trump Organization he would be all over it in a heartbeat and the border would be open and he'd say the border has never been more secure. THAT is what Trump does.
The fascists and the Nazis are getting bolder and bolder.
It's making a lot of people nervous, because fascist ideas have been becoming ever more pervasive (since a very temporary lull during and for about 3 decades after WWII) and are infecting all kinds of people who feel broken, deprived, cheated, excluded, and abandoned by an entropically complexifying world culture. (Don't tell yourself you're totally inoculated. Not only have you been infected yourself, you've been a carrier -- and maybe even a super spreader. Just like me.)
The fascists and the Nazis know they can win if they can provoke us to hatred.
The battle against fascism (the glorification of power and human predation) cannot be directed (except under extreme circumstances) against others. "Othering" is how they win. The battle against fascism must be fought mostly within ourselves (individually and collectively - and yes *this* is a Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Communist idea). It's really hard. It's the "sword" Jesus claims to have brought to us. It's a cross too.
If you believe in God, is your god a god of power, exclusion, and fear? Or is your god a god of inclusion and forgiveness even as it never stops scourging you to be better than you are? (Fascists delight at making themselves worse and dragging everyone down with them. It's actually so much easier-and offers them frequent access to a cheap frisson like a quick wank behind the dumpster in the park.
I would be amused by Trump denting being a pro to-Nazi if the situation were not so damnably serious. It was his father who tried to hide the fact that the family had come from Germany because Fred feared right after WWII it was not a good look. He was right. (I have heard that Trump now leans into his Scottish ancestry, or claims without a shred of truth that he is Swedish.) So in some senses Trump himself is the other. I would be interested to hear from a psychologist, but I suspect when at bottom you are not sure of your worth you feel better about yourself if you can cut everyone else down. Bullying the schoolyard.
I'm from Brazil and a right-wing social conservative. In my country, since 2011, a great numbers of haitian arrived in Brazil. They are a very decent people: hard workers, ordered people, very respectful, intelligents, charitable, and very civilized. What many right-wing was say is a completely liar, originating from a delusional and prejudiced mind. Despite I think that this substack is very hypocrite and support the iliberal left, the identitaries policy - which is very fascist and divise -, is against the defense of Israel - for unfairly considering Israel worse than Hamas and falsely considering it a genocidal “state” (isn't this anti-Semitism?) -, genocide of unborn, sexualitation of child, mutilation of delusional people - i.e trans agenda -, I agreed what the article says about the despicable attitude of various right-wingers. Just for the record: the right-wing conservative journal, New York Post, denied this fake news about haitians: https://nypost.com/2024/09/09/us-news/all-about-viral-claims-of-haitian-migrants-eating-pets-in-springfield-ohio/
After reading this, I think my tone might have been unnecessarily harsh in my response to you above.
If it is illiberalism you object to, I feel you, and I also object to it on the right and the left.
Thank you for being enough of a critical thinker to reject the argument that murderous, Jew-hating Hamas are secretly fighting for Palestinian self-determination and that Israel has no right to make sure they are never able to carry out another October. 7.
If you’ve heard of the Horseshoe theory (that the illiberal left and right hold many of the same beliefs), I think it explains a lot and it’s why I can be a liberal and also reject the fringe left views, which I believe are mostly disinformation-based anyway.
Hi, Ruth. You do not need to ask for sorry about your coment below - about another thing that I said. I don't believe that all liberals or progressives are iliberals; as well all conservatives. But, I made a critic toward liberals because this substack is more liberal, and I think that is something valid - and I will do it the same thing if the substack was conservative: I will criticized the hypocrisy of conservatives, wich is, you now, abundant, like I do, for example, in a brazilian righ-wing journal: Gazeta do Povo. Inasmuch here we have more liberals, my critic is more to liberals. Because, in my opinion, today we suffer with tribalism - the incapacity of critic our own ideology. I think that this substack suffer with that; like I said elsewhere, I never see a critic addressed to liberal government - for example, in my country, that have a antissemit and iliberal government of left: Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, that support Hamas, but at same time, have the same rethoric, today, of those that defends the democracy: "we need to combat the far right to preseve democracy", that is, do censorship. Or the censorship in Twitter that is supported by the liberal government. They could too critic the iliberal government of Trudeau, or the censorship that democrats made in Twitter, when Twitter wasn't of Musk.
About the Hosershoe theory I've heard; and I could give an example about two ideologies of my country that exemplify this theory: lulopetismo (left) and bolsonarismo (right). They are far left and far right, respectively; they voting together in many things: for example, to censorship free speech and social networks. And the truly people in Brazil, no matter if conservative or liberal, that are compromise with liberty suffer with this two iliberals ideologies.
But, anyway, I think that we, despite of our disagreements, agreed that a society must be free and truly pluralistic - the liberal, conservative, atheist, theist existing peacefully - and have the duty of being criticized and the right to critic another views and defend your vision without the State or a iliberal regime censorship them - wich is a thing that both sides do it today; and, in my opinion, currently, around the world, the liberal are more iliberals than the conservatives.
Yes. Despite this article it seems accurate about Trump, they are very hipocrital - inasmuch they never talk, for example, about the much more vigorous antissemitism of liberals since the begining of war in Gaza. To them, if you are liberal you have the free passport to do anything despicable. Why they never comment about the black lives matter - the nazi organization - that celebrated the genocide of israeli, by post a photo with a paratrooper that rape various womans? Or all liberals democrats - politicians and lay people - that are much more nazists than the trumpists? They don't have any moral to talk about the neonazi groups of right. And it seems that this substack is more sympathetic with the ultraconservative Hamas and people that support this terrorists - who throws gay of buildings - than the Israel - that is liberal, like this substack.
Hi Berny. Thank you for your answer. First of all, to clarify things. Despite my criticism, I like to read this substack because the ideology that him defends is contrary to my vision (I'm a social conservative right-wing). I believe that, above all today, its necessary read contrary visions to us to have a sane healthy and a excelent critical thinking . This prevents the disease of cognitive bubble. So, to me, its very important understanding your worldview - why this substack interpret reality in a different way, which is your premisses and pressupositions, etc.
In the question that you say that I comment in a "unhinget rant", I disagreed. Because I use a true language about things like, for example, abortion: abortion is a completely assassination and eugenics politcs, and not "reprodutive rights"; and because my criticisms is scathing.
However, I conced to you that I exaggerated in the question of Hamas. But, I really mainting my criticism concern Israel/Hamas inasmuch that - not just this substack, but - all liberals that I'been see doesn't have a good criticism to antissemitism around the world. For example, why this substack never made a scathing critcism about the vigorous antissemitism in the campus of universities in United States - that had the corollary that many Jewish students avoided campus?
And about provocative statement that I made "To them, if you are liberal you have the free passport to do anything despicable", I ask honestly: Why never this substack never made a critic about iliberal regime of liberal governnment of Trudeu? Why never made a criticism for a orwellian policy of Britain, about, for example, convict people for only post in social network criticism against the government? Why never write an article about condemn pro-life activists in England by - and look, this is very bizarre becaus - just to being stoped in centers of eugenics... I mean... centers of abortion just because they prayer in silence? Look, this activists are convict by a liberal policy only because they prayer in silence in the front of this centers, and nothing more. Or, why this substack never write a sentence about the iliberal regime that is running right now, in my country, Brazil, in that the liberal Supreme Court and liberal government censorship right-wing people, and became the unique "democrat" state to censorship twitter? Why never do you comment about various democrats that support this dictatorial measure? In this case, yet, 50 public liberals intellectuals support dictatorial censorship from Brazil:https://unherd.com/breaking_news/public-intellectuals-support-brazils-x-ban/. Another thing that I never see, is the critic about censorship from the liberal government of Biden against right-wingers when X (Twitter) didn't belong to Musk (and, by the way, Musk, to me, is a technological pantheist (like all silicon valley entrepeneurs), that is a very bad thing to society and democracy).
What I see of liberals is the same attitude of right-wingers and conservatives: tribalism: the attitude to criticized just the other ideology faction and silence about bad things that ideology faction of them do it.
Anyway, despite that our visions is very different, I appreciate this substack's tolerance of criticism.
I would not say each time your posts are completely unhinged, as Berny definitely prefers...that you concur with him, so he can eagerly press the like button...i would just say do not give him fodder and stick to the subject of the article, as much as you have other things you want to say
You’re missing the forest for the trees here. Maybe if you stop framing as libs v. conservatives, you’ll be able to see it better.
I’m a Jewish liberal and a supporter of Israel; I detest the anti-semitism now infecting so many of my otherwise allies. I also detest Hamas.
What Donald represents and what he would like to usher in is so dangerous that it transcends “liberal v. conservative” and any policy issue. The Cheneys get it, Karl fucking Rove gets it, Michael Hayden gets it. Will you?
Or would you prefer to just keep knee-jerking out the same tired both-sides fallacies & Kremlin talking points as in your comment above?
> “There is no need to speculate how this talking point got from white nationalists to President Trump, because we know at least one direct link: Laura Loomer”
Trump campaign associates Roger Stone and Laura Loomer use neo-Nazis to create propaganda that the Trump campaign then uses.
One year ago, Stone’s mentee Loomer attended a neo-Nazi rally by the *very same neo-Nazis* to create anti-Ukraine propaganda. Receipts:
Again in Springfield, Trump and Vance created anti-immigrant propaganda through lies told by these same neo-Nazis with whom their surrogates had already created anti-Ukraine propaganda.
To imagine that this is a coincidence is absurd. Trump and Vance are coordinating—whether knowingly or not is irrelevant—with neo-Nazi groups to create hateful propaganda for their campaign.
I've finally read the whole thing and all the comments below. What Trump and Vance are doing re the Haitian immigrants, who are there legally, by the way, is despicable.
Tracinski has not persuaded me that in referring to "very fine people" he was including Nazis and neo-Nazis. The LA Times transcript was gated, but the Politico transcript was not. Here's the relevant part:
"If you look, they were people protesting very quietly, the taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call ‘em. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know, I don’t know if you know, but they had a permit."
Spoiler alert: The people with the permit, the people Trump is talking about here, were neo-Nazis.
Donald Trump relies on you to use words as a string of sounds and symbols that do not refer to anything specific in reality. So if parts of the string sound OK, you’ll let it pass without asking what the underlying reality is. But the minute you start connecting them to concrete reality, you realize what he's actually saying.
What exactly were these people legally and peacefully protesting? The taking down of a confederate statue, as you yourself admit. That means they are confederates. If your position is that confederates are fine people, then of course you would not be persuaded.
It doesn't mean that they're confederates. They may be and probably many of them are. But probably a lot of them want to keep certain traditions. Let me ask you this, Shikha? If someone proposed taking down the Washington Monument and I objected, would you call me someone who is sympathetic to slave owners?
More of this vague and floating use of words. They want to "keep certain traditions." Well, OK, which ones? Which specific traditions? Which peculiar institutions? Name it for me.
Traditions associated with slavery! And let me just point out that equating a man who fought against colonialism with a man who fought for slavery is not as winning an argument as you seemingly think it is. Also, lets agree that those of us who took exception to Trump's comment did not misunderstand him. Our idea of what constitutes fineness is very different from (even a charitable understanding of) his (and apparently yours).
Notice how you posed it: a man who fought against colonialism vs a man who fought for slavery. You left out the slavery part from George Washington. Not only did he and Martha move back from Pennsylvania to keep their slaves but also he forcibly extracted teeth from a slave to put in his own mouth.
But at least you implicitly answered my question: you would not call me sympathetic to slave owners for wanting to keep the Washington Monument. At least there's a stopping point for you. That's good.
WTF happened to the standards at Hoover? George Washington did not fight "against colonialism." He was not an 18th Century version of Edward Said. He fought for individual rights--which indicates what makes him different from Lee.
Well, I mentioned colonialism hoping to avoid exactly the "he owned slaves" rejoinder that saying Washington fought for Enlightenment principles would have elicited. Alas, it didn't save me because David mentioned Washington precisely to lay a trap, not have a good faith discussion. Otherwise, he would have retracted after such a thorough demonstration of what that rally was truly about instead of doubling down. This is the kind of motivated reasoning that also causes him to do a fake accounting that omits the worst things that Trump does to conclude he's "less dangerous" than Biden/Harris, an argument that Dan Shapiro has thoroughly unraveled. I'm not sure what's motivating David but I have a feeling that its got something to do with a preoccupation with the woke enemy. Because it might one day come for Washington, better start defending confederates and neo-Nazis now! Or the defense of Lee is based on revisionist libertarian history where Lincoln is the imperial executive (it won't be long before his suspension of habeas corpus is bandied) and Lee is the one fighting against a federal leviathan for states rights (as if that crusade at that time could be separated from defending a system and lifestyle based on enslaving and brutalizing Blacks). Either way, the failure to consider how a statute valorizing Lee makes Blacks whose ancestors were brutalized by the system he wanted to perpetuate feel reveals a stunning level of indifference. All I can say is its depressing to watch people I have respected and profited from makes such patently hollow arguments. https://open.substack.com/pub/prosociallibertarians/p/getting-it-wrong?r=6jqoy&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
The best I can say is you are willfully blind if you think there is a way for "fine" people to march in a Unite the RIght rally and to keep Robert E Lee's statues standing proud and tall as a symbol of their heritage of slavery. What's good is that we have your idea of "fine people" cleared up.
The Lee statue that was taken down should not have been destroyed (mostly because it was a fine work of art, an interesting companion to the same sculptor's statue of U.S. Grant that still stands outside the Capitol.) But in cases like this, I take the advice of one of my personal heroes, Prof. Henry Jones, Jr.: "That belongs in a museum." And so do many of the Southern "traditions" that apologists for Lee want to defend.
You do realize, don't you, that MAGA means make America great again. Is there a problem with that?
You do realize, don't you, that the immigration issue is not about legal immigration, but ILLEGAL immigration. Do you support illegal immigration?
I have no respect for people who paint everything black and white. The real world is nothing like that. Trump doesn't hate anyone. He isn't trying to put anyone at the back of the bus. He has been persecuted to extremes that are supposed to only happen in totalitarian dictatorships, but not here. Never, in the USA, has a political opponent been harassed, arrested, prosecuted and persecuted by the party in power. It happens in other countries all the time, but not here. Until now. The Biden regime has got all its useful idiots salivating every time he rings the bell. No thought required, just an instinct for hate.
No, Trump is not a closet KKK. But Biden is. He has a history of supporting racism. Kamala Harris called him out on it a few years ago. I guess Robbert Tracinski kind of sort of forgot to bring that into this discussion. I'm sure it was just an oversight, and not that he is one-sided bigot.
Please allow me to disagree with you [free speech for Berny, but not for me] for now, as I exercise my right according to The UnPopulist ethos allowing for acceptable odious views. If I held your contention that the Ill Duce Trump wants to create a "white ethnostate" was really true, there would be no person you know on Planet Earth whose condemnation of such an odious hate monger POTUS candidate would top my full throated condemnation to his truly ugly Orangeman's face. Not to mention, if it were not just really bad, but true, that my formerly beloved party's nominee and great country could possibly have a budding Neo-Nazi move back into The White House...whose real world political goal was to turn the worlds greatest melting pot into an ethnically cleased whitetopia (would that includes his Veeps wife!?)...well...this here banned for saying in jest "Forgive me Jesus", make like Calgon and take him away...wellll...Berny should not only wholeheartedly agree with such a moral sentiment, after the fact...You and Berny, et al UnPopulist should wholeheartedly agree with Witt that a racist monster should not be breathing freely, anymore than a once proud boy popular head of The Reichstag proudly and insanely literally got away with preaching such rhetoric in the flesh, because he was deadly serious (unlike...) Not to mention your leader and opinion editor here at The UnPopulist owes me an apology, not to mention that right to exercise what he might, wrongly, infer as unacceptable. I do not need likes to know what is right. in an ideal and just world The Don would already be in jail for the rest of his misspent life, for inciting a white trash riot over an election President Trump knows he lost by a whisker, but unforgivably, a young loony tune true be lie ver sicko fan lost her life.
I am the last person on Earth to make like a Trump apologists Robert, a i would not hesitated to say to Heat Misers ugly face "I hate him. And i do mean HATE!!!" (Forgive me Jesus, I am in communion with Christopher Hitchens...may he be dwelling in Purgatory...I cannot truly abide in that Commandment to love one's enemies, or like conversely, the one about committing adultery every time I have sported wood for a woman i have not taken a sacred vow with...lighten up Berny, have a fing sense of humor for Christs sake) Leave aside you are taking something the Crony Capitalist Populist Pig ugly rhetoric and turning it into some wicked nefarious intent, without any actual evidence And if only Kamala could have cackled at his vile bigotry and brutally made fun of him for being nothing but one generation removed pure rich white trash like his Germanic Patriarch pighead And if she only had a brain she would have chewed him up and spit him out for lying about being sarcastic and for Ahli Babbitt losing her life by a whisker
Anywho, far be it from me to accuse you of being hyberbolic The Dons shameless mendacity and narcistic megalomania is reinforced by his rabid knuckle dragging sub culture fan clubbers...jus sayin cuz its true Ashli Babbitt still cannot be reached for comment (hat tip James Taranto) Like the awful coward and fool Archbishop should have said to the gathering swarm of ape men and women in Milwaukee PRAY TO END TRUMPISM!!! THAT IS ALL Gotta run on Peace be with you Robert
With all due respect, adding 25% to a small town's population -- for factory work when taxpayers fund benefits -- is outrageous. These are indentured servants, but not expected from the party of the KKK.
People can choose to live where they want, can’t they? That’s what’s happened with the Haitians in Springfield. They’ve moved to a place with low housing costs and job opportunities.
They aren’t illegal in the case of the Haitian immigrants. And no, undocumented migrants don’t get social security. How could they? Use your fucking brain.
Nice language... yet Harris seems to be trafficking slave labor for factories... crazy that you support this
"Incredible footage revealing an operation in Charleroi, PA where Haitians are being bussed to and from food factories operated by Fourth Street Foods..."
Excellent article. At a certain point, if it walks like a Nazi, quacks like a Nazi, and gets its talking points from Nazis, it's a Nazi.
I have really tried not to let those two vile creatures get to me but this deliberate demonizing of people who were invited to come to this town in a state that vance is supposed to be a representative of as a senator is lit my last nerve on fire. trump and vance are toxic waste stirring up even more toxic waste. We need a Superfund Election to clean all of it up and remediate the damage.
Thanks for "Superfund Election." Imma gonna steal that.
I liked that a lot too! We'll see who steals it first :) Thanks SPW!
Have at it! Any inspiration that I may spark is free for the taking 💙💙💙.
Disgusting, despicable, disturbing, and dangerous- Trump and Vance and their dog and cat story. We watched Trump and Vance accuse Haitians of being savages, demonizing them and calling them pet eaters. This stems ONLY from a place of racism.
Spreading false info, vicious lies towards a specific ethnic group is blatant racism. And even boasting about it.
When you’ve personally been a victim of this , you’d never ever support any one who belittles your race.
How about wearing this "Keep the immigrants, deport the racists" T in front of racists 👇
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I have spent my life studying Russia and also Europe in WWII. Trump follows the Nazi playbook to the letter (with the exception that Hitler actually served in the army in WWI).
He tries to dehumanize various groups of people and blame the country’s problems on them. He uses loud, angry rallies. The scale of the rallies and everything else matters to him. He had his brown shirts—violent ruffians he would eventually cast off for the most part in favor (in Hitler’s case) of trained military people. But these too will be removed during the Night of the Ling Knives when they were all butchered in their beds. The next step is to fake your way into a position of political power with a base that supports you absolutely-/talking about Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, Tom Cotton, etc. I presume they too would be tossed aside for more malevolent people like Stephen Miller. The rationale for everything will always be pollution of the pure blood, and/or the need to redistribute property for the good of the real citizens of the Fatherland. Hitler went after the “vermin” of Eastern Europe because he wanted the German people to have Lebensraum—living space, and the Slavs had that. I suspect Hitler really believed these paranoid fantasies. Trump just uses whatever presents itself.
The Trump/Vance attack on Springfield is reminiscent of Kristal Nacht—the night when Jewish owned shops, etc. were trashed by Hitler’s mob. The Jews were an excellent target for latent anger the Germans had about losing WWI and being forced to pay huge reparations they could ill afford. Hyper-inflation meant most people were feeling the pain of not having enough money to get by on. The Jews who had typically been forced by the Catholics to take on positions as money managers had done better on average, so jealousy lit the fuse for terror. Things escalated from there. We see precisely this sort of scenario playing out in Ohio. Note that the problem is not Haitians supposedly eating cats and dogs, it is that they are taking property—people’s pets, and that makes all the difference.
Once again the power of the antisocial media is unleashed upon the world. Without the antisocial media there would be no armed white men stalking the streets of a town in which they don't live. Without the antisocial media individual hate crimes against Haitians would be almost nil. Without antisocial media Trump's and Vance's statements would have been a blip come and gone with the debate.
I find it interesting that he also mentioned all the terrible things happening in Aurora, Colorado, and no similar investigations "on the ground" have been launched by the mainstream media, in pursuit of a story that is generated and perpetuated by influencers on the antisocial media.
Trump's mass deportation promise is exactly like his beautiful wall that will stretch from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean paid for by Mexico. Mass deportations is rhetorical and aspirational. Even the idea that he could organize and carry out mass deportations is absurd.
I doubt that he has an obsession with creating a white ethno-state or even want's one any more than he has an obsession with having a Christian nationalist dictatorship. What he wants is for white supremacists and Christian nationalists to think he wants them.
The danger is not Trump but the apparatus of government that could come with him. He is the electoral Trojan Horse that will bring a circle of evil players with him and who will organize the insanity to come.
Seriously we need not to focus on the superficial promises of Trump and Vance but on the people who have and made them possible. At bottom Trump just wants to be recognized as an important and unforgettable person. "No one in the world has ever seen anything like it..." he often says. Well, he has already achieved that status. He is so venal he will only seriously fulfill promises that will make him look good and/or that are personally profitable to him. These are the things that make him personally dangerous to us and the Republic. Not his dramatic promises of mass deportations and the "possibility" of ethnic cleansing are not a real threat because they are absurd.
If Trump could find a way of making human trafficking of illegal immigrants a revenue stream for The Trump Organization he would be all over it in a heartbeat and the border would be open and he'd say the border has never been more secure. THAT is what Trump does.
The fascists and the Nazis are getting bolder and bolder.
It's making a lot of people nervous, because fascist ideas have been becoming ever more pervasive (since a very temporary lull during and for about 3 decades after WWII) and are infecting all kinds of people who feel broken, deprived, cheated, excluded, and abandoned by an entropically complexifying world culture. (Don't tell yourself you're totally inoculated. Not only have you been infected yourself, you've been a carrier -- and maybe even a super spreader. Just like me.)
The fascists and the Nazis know they can win if they can provoke us to hatred.
The battle against fascism (the glorification of power and human predation) cannot be directed (except under extreme circumstances) against others. "Othering" is how they win. The battle against fascism must be fought mostly within ourselves (individually and collectively - and yes *this* is a Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Communist idea). It's really hard. It's the "sword" Jesus claims to have brought to us. It's a cross too.
If you believe in God, is your god a god of power, exclusion, and fear? Or is your god a god of inclusion and forgiveness even as it never stops scourging you to be better than you are? (Fascists delight at making themselves worse and dragging everyone down with them. It's actually so much easier-and offers them frequent access to a cheap frisson like a quick wank behind the dumpster in the park.
I would be amused by Trump denting being a pro to-Nazi if the situation were not so damnably serious. It was his father who tried to hide the fact that the family had come from Germany because Fred feared right after WWII it was not a good look. He was right. (I have heard that Trump now leans into his Scottish ancestry, or claims without a shred of truth that he is Swedish.) So in some senses Trump himself is the other. I would be interested to hear from a psychologist, but I suspect when at bottom you are not sure of your worth you feel better about yourself if you can cut everyone else down. Bullying the schoolyard.
I'm from Brazil and a right-wing social conservative. In my country, since 2011, a great numbers of haitian arrived in Brazil. They are a very decent people: hard workers, ordered people, very respectful, intelligents, charitable, and very civilized. What many right-wing was say is a completely liar, originating from a delusional and prejudiced mind. Despite I think that this substack is very hypocrite and support the iliberal left, the identitaries policy - which is very fascist and divise -, is against the defense of Israel - for unfairly considering Israel worse than Hamas and falsely considering it a genocidal “state” (isn't this anti-Semitism?) -, genocide of unborn, sexualitation of child, mutilation of delusional people - i.e trans agenda -, I agreed what the article says about the despicable attitude of various right-wingers. Just for the record: the right-wing conservative journal, New York Post, denied this fake news about haitians: https://nypost.com/2024/09/09/us-news/all-about-viral-claims-of-haitian-migrants-eating-pets-in-springfield-ohio/
After reading this, I think my tone might have been unnecessarily harsh in my response to you above.
If it is illiberalism you object to, I feel you, and I also object to it on the right and the left.
Thank you for being enough of a critical thinker to reject the argument that murderous, Jew-hating Hamas are secretly fighting for Palestinian self-determination and that Israel has no right to make sure they are never able to carry out another October. 7.
If you’ve heard of the Horseshoe theory (that the illiberal left and right hold many of the same beliefs), I think it explains a lot and it’s why I can be a liberal and also reject the fringe left views, which I believe are mostly disinformation-based anyway.
Hi, Ruth. You do not need to ask for sorry about your coment below - about another thing that I said. I don't believe that all liberals or progressives are iliberals; as well all conservatives. But, I made a critic toward liberals because this substack is more liberal, and I think that is something valid - and I will do it the same thing if the substack was conservative: I will criticized the hypocrisy of conservatives, wich is, you now, abundant, like I do, for example, in a brazilian righ-wing journal: Gazeta do Povo. Inasmuch here we have more liberals, my critic is more to liberals. Because, in my opinion, today we suffer with tribalism - the incapacity of critic our own ideology. I think that this substack suffer with that; like I said elsewhere, I never see a critic addressed to liberal government - for example, in my country, that have a antissemit and iliberal government of left: Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, that support Hamas, but at same time, have the same rethoric, today, of those that defends the democracy: "we need to combat the far right to preseve democracy", that is, do censorship. Or the censorship in Twitter that is supported by the liberal government. They could too critic the iliberal government of Trudeau, or the censorship that democrats made in Twitter, when Twitter wasn't of Musk.
About the Hosershoe theory I've heard; and I could give an example about two ideologies of my country that exemplify this theory: lulopetismo (left) and bolsonarismo (right). They are far left and far right, respectively; they voting together in many things: for example, to censorship free speech and social networks. And the truly people in Brazil, no matter if conservative or liberal, that are compromise with liberty suffer with this two iliberals ideologies.
But, anyway, I think that we, despite of our disagreements, agreed that a society must be free and truly pluralistic - the liberal, conservative, atheist, theist existing peacefully - and have the duty of being criticized and the right to critic another views and defend your vision without the State or a iliberal regime censorship them - wich is a thing that both sides do it today; and, in my opinion, currently, around the world, the liberal are more iliberals than the conservatives.
Pace and Bene.
Um, hypocrisy much?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAEaLHtOkq2/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Yes. Despite this article it seems accurate about Trump, they are very hipocrital - inasmuch they never talk, for example, about the much more vigorous antissemitism of liberals since the begining of war in Gaza. To them, if you are liberal you have the free passport to do anything despicable. Why they never comment about the black lives matter - the nazi organization - that celebrated the genocide of israeli, by post a photo with a paratrooper that rape various womans? Or all liberals democrats - politicians and lay people - that are much more nazists than the trumpists? They don't have any moral to talk about the neonazi groups of right. And it seems that this substack is more sympathetic with the ultraconservative Hamas and people that support this terrorists - who throws gay of buildings - than the Israel - that is liberal, like this substack.
You've posted a few times recently in our comments section and each time it's been a completely unhinged rant.
You write: "To them, if you are liberal you have the free passport to do anything despicable."
This is completely false. This doesn't describe anyone in our publication. None of us believe this.
Saying that we're sympathetic to Hamas is similarly crazy. Please try to keep your criticisms grounded in facts.
Hi Berny. Thank you for your answer. First of all, to clarify things. Despite my criticism, I like to read this substack because the ideology that him defends is contrary to my vision (I'm a social conservative right-wing). I believe that, above all today, its necessary read contrary visions to us to have a sane healthy and a excelent critical thinking . This prevents the disease of cognitive bubble. So, to me, its very important understanding your worldview - why this substack interpret reality in a different way, which is your premisses and pressupositions, etc.
In the question that you say that I comment in a "unhinget rant", I disagreed. Because I use a true language about things like, for example, abortion: abortion is a completely assassination and eugenics politcs, and not "reprodutive rights"; and because my criticisms is scathing.
However, I conced to you that I exaggerated in the question of Hamas. But, I really mainting my criticism concern Israel/Hamas inasmuch that - not just this substack, but - all liberals that I'been see doesn't have a good criticism to antissemitism around the world. For example, why this substack never made a scathing critcism about the vigorous antissemitism in the campus of universities in United States - that had the corollary that many Jewish students avoided campus?
And about provocative statement that I made "To them, if you are liberal you have the free passport to do anything despicable", I ask honestly: Why never this substack never made a critic about iliberal regime of liberal governnment of Trudeu? Why never made a criticism for a orwellian policy of Britain, about, for example, convict people for only post in social network criticism against the government? Why never write an article about condemn pro-life activists in England by - and look, this is very bizarre becaus - just to being stoped in centers of eugenics... I mean... centers of abortion just because they prayer in silence? Look, this activists are convict by a liberal policy only because they prayer in silence in the front of this centers, and nothing more. Or, why this substack never write a sentence about the iliberal regime that is running right now, in my country, Brazil, in that the liberal Supreme Court and liberal government censorship right-wing people, and became the unique "democrat" state to censorship twitter? Why never do you comment about various democrats that support this dictatorial measure? In this case, yet, 50 public liberals intellectuals support dictatorial censorship from Brazil:https://unherd.com/breaking_news/public-intellectuals-support-brazils-x-ban/. Another thing that I never see, is the critic about censorship from the liberal government of Biden against right-wingers when X (Twitter) didn't belong to Musk (and, by the way, Musk, to me, is a technological pantheist (like all silicon valley entrepeneurs), that is a very bad thing to society and democracy).
What I see of liberals is the same attitude of right-wingers and conservatives: tribalism: the attitude to criticized just the other ideology faction and silence about bad things that ideology faction of them do it.
Anyway, despite that our visions is very different, I appreciate this substack's tolerance of criticism.
I would not say each time your posts are completely unhinged, as Berny definitely prefers...that you concur with him, so he can eagerly press the like button...i would just say do not give him fodder and stick to the subject of the article, as much as you have other things you want to say
You’re missing the forest for the trees here. Maybe if you stop framing as libs v. conservatives, you’ll be able to see it better.
I’m a Jewish liberal and a supporter of Israel; I detest the anti-semitism now infecting so many of my otherwise allies. I also detest Hamas.
What Donald represents and what he would like to usher in is so dangerous that it transcends “liberal v. conservative” and any policy issue. The Cheneys get it, Karl fucking Rove gets it, Michael Hayden gets it. Will you?
Or would you prefer to just keep knee-jerking out the same tired both-sides fallacies & Kremlin talking points as in your comment above?
Modern blood libel.
> “There is no need to speculate how this talking point got from white nationalists to President Trump, because we know at least one direct link: Laura Loomer”
Trump campaign associates Roger Stone and Laura Loomer use neo-Nazis to create propaganda that the Trump campaign then uses.
One year ago, Stone’s mentee Loomer attended a neo-Nazi rally by the *very same neo-Nazis* to create anti-Ukraine propaganda. Receipts:
• https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/09/13/us-neo-nazi-says-he-fought-in-ukraine-records-place-him-in-florida/
• https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/neo-nazis-florida-march-1234817532/
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKnSmfxzsxA&t=280s
Again in Springfield, Trump and Vance created anti-immigrant propaganda through lies told by these same neo-Nazis with whom their surrogates had already created anti-Ukraine propaganda.
To imagine that this is a coincidence is absurd. Trump and Vance are coordinating—whether knowingly or not is irrelevant—with neo-Nazi groups to create hateful propaganda for their campaign.
I've finally read the whole thing and all the comments below. What Trump and Vance are doing re the Haitian immigrants, who are there legally, by the way, is despicable.
Tracinski has not persuaded me that in referring to "very fine people" he was including Nazis and neo-Nazis. The LA Times transcript was gated, but the Politico transcript was not. Here's the relevant part:
"If you look, they were people protesting very quietly, the taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call ‘em. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know, I don’t know if you know, but they had a permit."
People have such a mental block on this. Ask just one question: Who had a permit? There is actually quite a paper trail on this, because there was a court battle over it. Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally#Permits_and_court_case
Spoiler alert: The people with the permit, the people Trump is talking about here, were neo-Nazis.
Donald Trump relies on you to use words as a string of sounds and symbols that do not refer to anything specific in reality. So if parts of the string sound OK, you’ll let it pass without asking what the underlying reality is. But the minute you start connecting them to concrete reality, you realize what he's actually saying.
As if obtaining a permit is all that is required to be a "fine person" and drape your horrid cause in glory.
What exactly were these people legally and peacefully protesting? The taking down of a confederate statue, as you yourself admit. That means they are confederates. If your position is that confederates are fine people, then of course you would not be persuaded.
It doesn't mean that they're confederates. They may be and probably many of them are. But probably a lot of them want to keep certain traditions. Let me ask you this, Shikha? If someone proposed taking down the Washington Monument and I objected, would you call me someone who is sympathetic to slave owners?
More of this vague and floating use of words. They want to "keep certain traditions." Well, OK, which ones? Which specific traditions? Which peculiar institutions? Name it for me.
Traditions associated with slavery! And let me just point out that equating a man who fought against colonialism with a man who fought for slavery is not as winning an argument as you seemingly think it is. Also, lets agree that those of us who took exception to Trump's comment did not misunderstand him. Our idea of what constitutes fineness is very different from (even a charitable understanding of) his (and apparently yours).
Notice how you posed it: a man who fought against colonialism vs a man who fought for slavery. You left out the slavery part from George Washington. Not only did he and Martha move back from Pennsylvania to keep their slaves but also he forcibly extracted teeth from a slave to put in his own mouth.
But at least you implicitly answered my question: you would not call me sympathetic to slave owners for wanting to keep the Washington Monument. At least there's a stopping point for you. That's good.
WTF happened to the standards at Hoover? George Washington did not fight "against colonialism." He was not an 18th Century version of Edward Said. He fought for individual rights--which indicates what makes him different from Lee.
Well, I mentioned colonialism hoping to avoid exactly the "he owned slaves" rejoinder that saying Washington fought for Enlightenment principles would have elicited. Alas, it didn't save me because David mentioned Washington precisely to lay a trap, not have a good faith discussion. Otherwise, he would have retracted after such a thorough demonstration of what that rally was truly about instead of doubling down. This is the kind of motivated reasoning that also causes him to do a fake accounting that omits the worst things that Trump does to conclude he's "less dangerous" than Biden/Harris, an argument that Dan Shapiro has thoroughly unraveled. I'm not sure what's motivating David but I have a feeling that its got something to do with a preoccupation with the woke enemy. Because it might one day come for Washington, better start defending confederates and neo-Nazis now! Or the defense of Lee is based on revisionist libertarian history where Lincoln is the imperial executive (it won't be long before his suspension of habeas corpus is bandied) and Lee is the one fighting against a federal leviathan for states rights (as if that crusade at that time could be separated from defending a system and lifestyle based on enslaving and brutalizing Blacks). Either way, the failure to consider how a statute valorizing Lee makes Blacks whose ancestors were brutalized by the system he wanted to perpetuate feel reveals a stunning level of indifference. All I can say is its depressing to watch people I have respected and profited from makes such patently hollow arguments. https://open.substack.com/pub/prosociallibertarians/p/getting-it-wrong?r=6jqoy&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
First of all, your beef is with Shikha, not me. I just took her at her word, but you're telling me she's misinformed. Fine.
The best I can say is you are willfully blind if you think there is a way for "fine" people to march in a Unite the RIght rally and to keep Robert E Lee's statues standing proud and tall as a symbol of their heritage of slavery. What's good is that we have your idea of "fine people" cleared up.
The Lee statue that was taken down should not have been destroyed (mostly because it was a fine work of art, an interesting companion to the same sculptor's statue of U.S. Grant that still stands outside the Capitol.) But in cases like this, I take the advice of one of my personal heroes, Prof. Henry Jones, Jr.: "That belongs in a museum." And so do many of the Southern "traditions" that apologists for Lee want to defend.
You do realize, don't you, that MAGA means make America great again. Is there a problem with that?
You do realize, don't you, that the immigration issue is not about legal immigration, but ILLEGAL immigration. Do you support illegal immigration?
I have no respect for people who paint everything black and white. The real world is nothing like that. Trump doesn't hate anyone. He isn't trying to put anyone at the back of the bus. He has been persecuted to extremes that are supposed to only happen in totalitarian dictatorships, but not here. Never, in the USA, has a political opponent been harassed, arrested, prosecuted and persecuted by the party in power. It happens in other countries all the time, but not here. Until now. The Biden regime has got all its useful idiots salivating every time he rings the bell. No thought required, just an instinct for hate.
No, Trump is not a closet KKK. But Biden is. He has a history of supporting racism. Kamala Harris called him out on it a few years ago. I guess Robbert Tracinski kind of sort of forgot to bring that into this discussion. I'm sure it was just an oversight, and not that he is one-sided bigot.
I am so glad that you don't like to paint everything in black and white.
Hi Robert,
Please allow me to disagree with you [free speech for Berny, but not for me] for now, as I exercise my right according to The UnPopulist ethos allowing for acceptable odious views. If I held your contention that the Ill Duce Trump wants to create a "white ethnostate" was really true, there would be no person you know on Planet Earth whose condemnation of such an odious hate monger POTUS candidate would top my full throated condemnation to his truly ugly Orangeman's face. Not to mention, if it were not just really bad, but true, that my formerly beloved party's nominee and great country could possibly have a budding Neo-Nazi move back into The White House...whose real world political goal was to turn the worlds greatest melting pot into an ethnically cleased whitetopia (would that includes his Veeps wife!?)...well...this here banned for saying in jest "Forgive me Jesus", make like Calgon and take him away...wellll...Berny should not only wholeheartedly agree with such a moral sentiment, after the fact...You and Berny, et al UnPopulist should wholeheartedly agree with Witt that a racist monster should not be breathing freely, anymore than a once proud boy popular head of The Reichstag proudly and insanely literally got away with preaching such rhetoric in the flesh, because he was deadly serious (unlike...) Not to mention your leader and opinion editor here at The UnPopulist owes me an apology, not to mention that right to exercise what he might, wrongly, infer as unacceptable. I do not need likes to know what is right. in an ideal and just world The Don would already be in jail for the rest of his misspent life, for inciting a white trash riot over an election President Trump knows he lost by a whisker, but unforgivably, a young loony tune true be lie ver sicko fan lost her life.
I am the last person on Earth to make like a Trump apologists Robert, a i would not hesitated to say to Heat Misers ugly face "I hate him. And i do mean HATE!!!" (Forgive me Jesus, I am in communion with Christopher Hitchens...may he be dwelling in Purgatory...I cannot truly abide in that Commandment to love one's enemies, or like conversely, the one about committing adultery every time I have sported wood for a woman i have not taken a sacred vow with...lighten up Berny, have a fing sense of humor for Christs sake) Leave aside you are taking something the Crony Capitalist Populist Pig ugly rhetoric and turning it into some wicked nefarious intent, without any actual evidence And if only Kamala could have cackled at his vile bigotry and brutally made fun of him for being nothing but one generation removed pure rich white trash like his Germanic Patriarch pighead And if she only had a brain she would have chewed him up and spit him out for lying about being sarcastic and for Ahli Babbitt losing her life by a whisker
Anywho, far be it from me to accuse you of being hyberbolic The Dons shameless mendacity and narcistic megalomania is reinforced by his rabid knuckle dragging sub culture fan clubbers...jus sayin cuz its true Ashli Babbitt still cannot be reached for comment (hat tip James Taranto) Like the awful coward and fool Archbishop should have said to the gathering swarm of ape men and women in Milwaukee PRAY TO END TRUMPISM!!! THAT IS ALL Gotta run on Peace be with you Robert
With all due respect, adding 25% to a small town's population -- for factory work when taxpayers fund benefits -- is outrageous. These are indentured servants, but not expected from the party of the KKK.
https://directorblue.substack.com/p/an-illustrated-history-of-the-original
People can choose to live where they want, can’t they? That’s what’s happened with the Haitians in Springfield. They’ve moved to a place with low housing costs and job opportunities.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/us/springfield-ohio-haitians-immigration-cec/index.html
Wrong, sir - it's all sponsored by our tax dollars.
They're giving illegal aliens (TPS) social security and other benefits. AYFKM?
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1836074626524533055?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1836074626524533055%7Ctwgr%5E2184953536feee53e4870513a3dd972f6e491e31%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdirectorblue.blogspot.com%2F
They aren’t illegal in the case of the Haitian immigrants. And no, undocumented migrants don’t get social security. How could they? Use your fucking brain.
Nice language... yet Harris seems to be trafficking slave labor for factories... crazy that you support this
"Incredible footage revealing an operation in Charleroi, PA where Haitians are being bussed to and from food factories operated by Fourth Street Foods..."
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1836074626524533055
Libs of TikTok? Is that domestic terrorist/Russian psy op your idea of a credible source of information? 😂
Not even worth as much of a reply as I just wrote!
lol - she's just forwarding your side's weirdness - check out tags