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Harley "Griff" Lofton's avatar

They all must hang together or surely they will all hang separately.

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Vladan Lausevic's avatar

I have to sadly say that one reason for their results as by Trump and Orban, is that sometimes they are better in cooperation compared to us who are liberals or else as left-wingers, moderate right-wingers etc. For example, how many liberal voters and supporters as in Europe know something about liberal politicians in the USA or even among other EU countries?

I have experience of liberals from Sweden going to Hungary just for joy and fun but without meeting or knowing any other liberals active there.

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Kevin Beck's avatar

An electoral defeat of Victor Orban would be as big a disaster as Ukraine defeating Russia.

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TimBurr's avatar

Neither are remotely possible. Orban is genuinely popular in Hungary

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Kevin Beck's avatar

Yes, I agree. I was bringing that up as a humorous way of saying that it was highly unlikely. I consider Orban the best national leader in Europe today, and since his rise to leadership of Hungary.

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