With all due respect, I’m not entirely sure how ISMA can seriously claim the mantle of “limited government”, “human rights” & “executive restraint” while being chummy with Anne Applebaum, a cheerleader for the egregiously unjust & blood-soaked military operations in Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. that completely undermined those principles.
The Liberal movement is not comprised of only people who think and act in one way. There are many liberals who I disagree with such as the Defund the Police movement, but in my listening to them and I have learned some new ideas and ways of looking at things. I don't agree with Anne Applebaum on many points, but I believe she deserves to be listened to. If we close our ears and eyes to everyone we don't agree with we will windup in a silo hearing only the echo of our own voice and believing that our opinions are correct on all points.
I understand your argument & agree with it in most cases, but my concern (as I said) is that she explicitly contradicts several listed aspects of liberalism.
I guess I am overly impressed by her credentals and accomplishments. I am hesitant to disagree with her based on her depth of experience and that I have not read the articles you have pointed to. If you could direct me to some of these disturbing writings I would be very appreciative.. I woud like to add that all of us who call ourselves liberals don't always agree on everything and I am not sure I knw what the "listed aspects" f liberalism are. Thank you for enlightenng me.
You really are a moron. I really don’t mean to sound cruel. But you don’t know what you’re talking about. You actually believe all the BS mass media, shills for the Democratic Party, ram down the throats of their viewers? Dig a little deeper and discover some real facts, not just mass media talking points. Spend just 15 minutes a day learning more about your “enemy”. Why do you think they want to censor and imprison their political opponents? They don’t want the uneducated to get educated. Sorry kiddo, your brainwashing is showing.
False equivalency. You really describe a former KGB and current Russian Communist dictator as right? Have you been to Russia? La Pen, father or daughter? Have you read the recent book the daughter published? Orban an authoritarian? Have you been to Hungary? Name one thing Trump has done that’s authoritarian. One thing. You do not know what you are talking about. Hit the books kiddo. You have some studying to do. First assignment, look up the meaning of authoritarian.
"True liberals, who understand the enormous stakes in this battle, need to set aside their existing policy disagreements and come together in a renewed defense of core liberal democratic values (limited government, openness, pluralism, toleration and human rights) and institutions (checks-and-balances, separation of powers, executive restraint and representative governance). They need to jettison the old and stale left/right divisions and forge a new liberal/illiberal alignment. They need to offer a revitalized intellectual defense of liberalism that points out how life can be—to repurpose the phrase of Thomas Hobbes—“solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” for people living under illiberal states. And, above all, they need to show how liberalism is the only governing system that can generate workable solutions with broad buy-in for the very problems that now lead people to reject it." (Dalmia.) Fine.
Are you f..k..g kidding me. Illiberal far right? Are you really that stupid? Good grief. Nice try. But I will support you in anyway I can to push back on the Tyranny that is spreading across the World thanks to the Marxist far leftist looneys. Modern Authoritarianism, you mean the lovefest for Xi and his dictatorship of China, a throwback to feudalism? Nothing “modern” about this.
Trump has praised Xi many many times and never criticized him even once, so I don't know what point you're trying to make. China cannot be credibly called communist any more. It's crony capitalism.
Trump, as a Statesman, acknowledges Xi’s intellect. Helps keep the dialogue open and respectful. Just like he showed Ng respect by walking into North Korea. Does that mean he’s an authoritarian who agrees with Xi’s ruling of China? What is it with the looney left projecting their obvious tyrannical tactics accusing Trump of being a Tyrant. Complete psyop propaganda. Trump authoritarian, on what grounds? Because he speaks with authority, something the left are completely inadequate of doing. Their authority is their Tyranny. They have to cheat, lie, censor, change laws, scare, terrorize, mandate and regulate to suit their agenda to win.
He absolutely agrees with Xi’s policies in China. He explicitly told Xi that his treatment of the Uyghurs is what he would do. Since then he’s talked multiple times about how much he respects Xi’s “iron grip” and how he wishes he could do the same here. Even during the pandemic he not only declined to criticize Xi, he *praised* him and said he has “everything under control.”
This isn’t just some recent diplomatic speak “statesmen” nonsense. There’s an interview from the early nineties where he talks about how much he admired China’s armed crackdown on protestors in Tiananmen Square.
With all due respect, I’m not entirely sure how ISMA can seriously claim the mantle of “limited government”, “human rights” & “executive restraint” while being chummy with Anne Applebaum, a cheerleader for the egregiously unjust & blood-soaked military operations in Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. that completely undermined those principles.
The Liberal movement is not comprised of only people who think and act in one way. There are many liberals who I disagree with such as the Defund the Police movement, but in my listening to them and I have learned some new ideas and ways of looking at things. I don't agree with Anne Applebaum on many points, but I believe she deserves to be listened to. If we close our ears and eyes to everyone we don't agree with we will windup in a silo hearing only the echo of our own voice and believing that our opinions are correct on all points.
I understand your argument & agree with it in most cases, but my concern (as I said) is that she explicitly contradicts several listed aspects of liberalism.
I guess I am overly impressed by her credentals and accomplishments. I am hesitant to disagree with her based on her depth of experience and that I have not read the articles you have pointed to. If you could direct me to some of these disturbing writings I would be very appreciative.. I woud like to add that all of us who call ourselves liberals don't always agree on everything and I am not sure I knw what the "listed aspects" f liberalism are. Thank you for enlightenng me.
You really are a moron. I really don’t mean to sound cruel. But you don’t know what you’re talking about. You actually believe all the BS mass media, shills for the Democratic Party, ram down the throats of their viewers? Dig a little deeper and discover some real facts, not just mass media talking points. Spend just 15 minutes a day learning more about your “enemy”. Why do you think they want to censor and imprison their political opponents? They don’t want the uneducated to get educated. Sorry kiddo, your brainwashing is showing.
False equivalency. You really describe a former KGB and current Russian Communist dictator as right? Have you been to Russia? La Pen, father or daughter? Have you read the recent book the daughter published? Orban an authoritarian? Have you been to Hungary? Name one thing Trump has done that’s authoritarian. One thing. You do not know what you are talking about. Hit the books kiddo. You have some studying to do. First assignment, look up the meaning of authoritarian.
"True liberals, who understand the enormous stakes in this battle, need to set aside their existing policy disagreements and come together in a renewed defense of core liberal democratic values (limited government, openness, pluralism, toleration and human rights) and institutions (checks-and-balances, separation of powers, executive restraint and representative governance). They need to jettison the old and stale left/right divisions and forge a new liberal/illiberal alignment. They need to offer a revitalized intellectual defense of liberalism that points out how life can be—to repurpose the phrase of Thomas Hobbes—“solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” for people living under illiberal states. And, above all, they need to show how liberalism is the only governing system that can generate workable solutions with broad buy-in for the very problems that now lead people to reject it." (Dalmia.) Fine.
Are you f..k..g kidding me. Illiberal far right? Are you really that stupid? Good grief. Nice try. But I will support you in anyway I can to push back on the Tyranny that is spreading across the World thanks to the Marxist far leftist looneys. Modern Authoritarianism, you mean the lovefest for Xi and his dictatorship of China, a throwback to feudalism? Nothing “modern” about this.
Trump has praised Xi many many times and never criticized him even once, so I don't know what point you're trying to make. China cannot be credibly called communist any more. It's crony capitalism.
Trump, as a Statesman, acknowledges Xi’s intellect. Helps keep the dialogue open and respectful. Just like he showed Ng respect by walking into North Korea. Does that mean he’s an authoritarian who agrees with Xi’s ruling of China? What is it with the looney left projecting their obvious tyrannical tactics accusing Trump of being a Tyrant. Complete psyop propaganda. Trump authoritarian, on what grounds? Because he speaks with authority, something the left are completely inadequate of doing. Their authority is their Tyranny. They have to cheat, lie, censor, change laws, scare, terrorize, mandate and regulate to suit their agenda to win.
Now you’re trolling. I hear from you again, I’ll block you.
He absolutely agrees with Xi’s policies in China. He explicitly told Xi that his treatment of the Uyghurs is what he would do. Since then he’s talked multiple times about how much he respects Xi’s “iron grip” and how he wishes he could do the same here. Even during the pandemic he not only declined to criticize Xi, he *praised* him and said he has “everything under control.”
This isn’t just some recent diplomatic speak “statesmen” nonsense. There’s an interview from the early nineties where he talks about how much he admired China’s armed crackdown on protestors in Tiananmen Square.
You're wasting your breath on that thug.